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    The BBC analysis doesn't look so far off. http://www.haaretz.com/business/visi...space-1.443963
    Visiting Russians are seeking cooperation in energy, space


    Natural gas, aerospace, oil shale and tourism are among the areas of economic cooperation that Russian President Vladimir Putin is offering Israel during his visit this week, sources told TheMarker.

    The most important item raised between Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday was an offer by Russia's state-owned energy company Gazprom to join in developing Israel's offshore gas reserves. The largest extractor of natural gas in the world and Russia's biggest company, Gazprom wants to open a local subsidiary that will engage in drilling and offshore and onshore pipeline operations.

    On the Israeli side, no one has rejected the Gazprom offer out of hand and officials are willing to explore the proposals, the sources said. Future international tenders in the Israeli gas sector will be open to Gazprom.

    In fact, Gazprom executives have been to Israel in the past to explore cooperation in gas and won a tender to produce gasoline from oil shale in Israel's south, for which it expects to begin operations soon, the Russian delegation said. They also expressed interest in developing alternative energy projects, mainly in solar and to a lesser extent in wind.

    The two countries did about $660 million of bilateral trade in the first four months of this year, with Israeli exports to Russia reaching $384 million and imports from Russia at $277 million, according to the Israel Export Institute.

    Another area of interest to the Russians is nanotechnology, where the two countries have signed cooperation agreements. The sources said the Russian state-owned nanotechnology company Rusnano, which has been funded by Moscow to the tune of billions of dollars, has recently opened an Israeli unit whose task will be to identify Israeli companies for acquisition and cooperation.

    Rusnano's chairman, Anatoly Chubais, is part of the delegation accompanying Putin to Israel.

    The delegation also includes the incoming chairman of the Russian Space Agency Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, signaling the country's interest in cooperation in aerospace as well.

    "Israeli and Russian capabilities in aerospace complement one another," said one of the sources, pointing to Russia's expertise in launching satellites, as Israel is regarded a world leader in miniature satellites and other technologies.

    In agriculture, the two sides are exploring joint ventures in irrigation, hothouses and the development of seeds for increasing farm yields.

    Israel expressed interest in developing tourism. Russia is the biggest source of visitors to Israel after the United States, with about half a million tourists arriving every year. They create about 20,000 jobs and bring in revenues to Israel of $1 billion annually.

    The two sides also began talks about establishing a free trade area agreement, which would ease two-way trade. They also plan to sign a financial protocol that will provide guarantees on exports to Russia via the government trade insurance agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surenas View Post
    Russians to Build IP Pipeline in Pakistan - Report
    Apart from arms-exports, Russia's main interest in Iran are these huge infrastructure contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano View Post
    Apart from arms-exports, Russia's main interest in Iran are these huge infrastructure contracts.
    Of course, and keeping Iran as geo-political ally in the Middle East.

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    Russia wants Israeli participation in projects of a new Military Development Center: http://www.israeldefense.com/?Catego...ArticleID=1445

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    Russia wants too much, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGXL836 View Post
    Russia wants too much, then.
    They become addicts to Western technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    They become addicts to Western technology.
    What?

    In what sense? Radio controlled aeroplanes? About as much.

    Russia is trying to get as much as they can out of someone else, and I can't see a problem with that. Chinese do it, America does it, etc etc.


    BTW, when saying "What Russia wants" maybe it is best to get both articles (Russian source as well) because half of the ones you post I cannot find in Russian sources. So they can be a load of BS.
    Last edited by sepheronx; 07-03-2012 at 01:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    What?

    In what sense? Radio controlled aeroplanes? About as much.

    Russia is trying to get as much as they can out of someone else, and I can't see a problem with that. Chinese do it, America does it, etc etc.


    BTW, when saying "What Russia wants" maybe it is best to get both articles (Russian source as well) because half of the ones you post I cannot find in Russian sources. So they can be a load of BS.
    What makes you upset? I said it in the good sense.
    Russia never bought foreign weapons. Since few years it changes quickly. She bought weapons from Israel, France. There were reports about vehicles from Italy and from Finland...

    Arie Egozi is a reliable military reporter. I don't read Russian and I ignore what is said in your press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    What makes you upset? I said it in the good sense.
    Russia never bought foreign weapons. Since few years it changes quickly. She bought weapons from Israel, France. There were reports about vehicles from Italy and from Finland...

    Arie Egozi is a reliable military reporter. I don't read Russian and I ignore what is said in your press.
    Mistral was a joke of a deal, as for the vehicles, barely anything impressive of Western Technology, and for your last comment shows your ignorance. I can make the same comment about Israeli news. Remember how they quoted something about Iran propaganda in Canada from Sky news? Yeah.

    Edit: BTW, it isn't "My" Press as I am from Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    Mistral was a joke of a deal, as for the vehicles, barely anything impressive of Western Technology, and for your last comment shows your ignorance. I can make the same comment about Israeli news. Remember how they quoted something about Iran propaganda in Canada from Sky news? Yeah.

    Edit: BTW, it isn't "My" Press as I am from Canada.
    Mistral was a joke? Not for Russia who spent billions of USD to have it.

    Like all the media, Israeli press also publishes BS here and there. However, Arie Egozi is known for being a reliable reporter. He is a regular contributor to many international defense magazines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Mistral was a joke? Not for Russia who spent billions of USD to have it.


    I remember an ex-Soviet naval man on this forums by the name of SmoothieX2, and he like many others, shared the same POV regarding Mistral. Does Russia have a use for it? Probably not. I think it isn't about the ship more or less about the comm systems on board and the manufacturing facility upgrades needed to produce it that was the benefit.

    Like all the media, Israeli press also publishes BS here and there. However, Arie Egozi is known for being a reliable reporter. He is a regular contributor to many international defense magazines.
    Well, it is nice that you will take verything someone writes with full truth. Till then, I will look continue to look up at Russian press about Russia and this deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    I remember an ex-Soviet naval man on this forums by the name of SmoothieX2, and he like many others, shared the same POV regarding Mistral. Does Russia have a use for it? Probably not.
    If Russia was read to pay so much for our "jokes", go figure what she's ready to spend for some real things.

    Well, it is nice that you will take verything someone writes with full truth. Till then, I will look continue to look up at Russian press about Russia and this deal.
    You live in Canada but obviously have reading issues.
    I never said what was said was true. I just said the source was reliable.

    But more to the point: what upsets you so much in the fact Russia is eager to buy foreign technologies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    If Russia was read to pay so much for our "jokes", go figure what she's ready to spend for some real things.
    Wouldn't be the first time that someone from higher up in government in any country decided something that may be stupid to say the least. Those real things are things like PAK FA, PAK DA, Borei, Gorshkov, S-400/500, etc etc.

    You live in Canada but obviously have reading issues.
    I never said what was said was true. I just said the source was reliable.
    Sorry, what? That isn't the point, the point is that you don't trust any other source unless it fits your viewpoint, that is what I am getting from your post.

    But more to the point: what upsets you so much in the fact Russia is eager to buy foreign technologies?
    Because of the Circle jerks of your posts. And your assessment that they are eager to buy foreign technologies with little proof but some things here and there.

    I get irked when people make an assumption that a country is eager about something because they buy a few things here and there, and look for foreign 'investments'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    Sorry, what? That isn't the point, the point is that you don't trust any other source unless it fits your viewpoint, that is what I am getting from your post.
    I provided a reliable source. You have a POV that was backed with no source, neither facts.

    Because of the Circle jerks of your posts. And your assessment that they are eager to buy foreign technologies with little proof but some things here and there.

    I get irked when people make an assumption that a country is eager about something because they buy a few things here and there, and look for foreign 'investments'.
    That's what my source says.

    But the real reason this upsets you has nothing to do with facts. I'll tell you what's the problem. It's the inferiority complex that is shared by some Russians when it comes to technology.
    It's annoying because I don't see on this forum other nationals having a similar behavior.

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