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    China has only spent less than 5 billion USD on her manned space missions during the past 10 years,sure our achievement is relative unimpressive comparing to the USA and USSR achieved during the peak of cold war, however given the budge its still good in its own right.

    Just give you an idea about how crazy the cold war were:If China were spending the amount of money like the USA did during the peak of Space race (in terms of money spent to the GDP ratio), then China now should spend 500 billion USD per decade on her space mission instead of 5 billion USD.

    If China could have spent that much of money (e.g. 100X more), I would not be surprised that they could have been sent men mars by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodguy View Post
    China has only spent less than 5 billion USD on her manned space missions during the past 10 years,sure our achievement is relative unimpressive comparing to the USA and USSR achieved during the peak of cold war, however given the budge its still good in its own right.

    Just give you an idea about how crazy the cold war were:If China were spending the amount of money like the USA did during the peak of Space race (in terms of money spent to the GDP ratio), then China now should spend 500 billion USD per decade on her space mission instead of 5 billion USD.

    If China could have spent that much of money (e.g. 100X more), I would not be surprised that they could have been sent men mars by now.
    Why not just spend 500 trillion USD? So every one of us will get a pony, plus an island in south Pacific with a mansion on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsmoke View Post
    Why not just spend 500 trillion USD? So every one of us will get a pony, plus an island in south Pacific with a mansion on it
    there is $500 trillion and you'd buy a pony ?

    After all the wars and space adventures are done, what the american really want is to play cowboy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hattusili View Post
    After all the wars and space adventures are done, what the american really want is to play cowboy...
    So what's your point to spend more on space program? Except cowboy playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsmoke View Post
    So what's your point to spend more on space program? Except cowboy playing?
    just an observation of american culture

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    I expect americans and russians could answer your question better.
    Like I said, even if China increase their spending on space mission by 100X more now, they could merely touch the insanity level of the US and USSR during the peak of space race.
    For instance, during the peak of space race, NASA alone spends equal to 2% of US GDP then, I bet Russia thrown even more money there.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...roduct_History

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodguy View Post
    I expect americans and russians could answer your question better.
    Like I said, even if China increase their spending on space mission by 100X more now, they could merely touch the insanity level of the US and USSR during the peak of space race.
    For instance, during the peak of space race, NASA alone spends equal to 2% of US GDP then, I bet Russia thrown even more money there.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...roduct_History
    You want to match the insane level of spending during cold war? Man, you are half a century too late! And I hope you do it on your own money.

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    Maybe its time to start a new one then.
    I hope in my liftime people can find some life forms outside of earth, and I am employed in an industry that can benefit significantly from space race,so space race is a pure win for me.

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    less on military material => more for the space program

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodguy View Post
    ... I am employed in an industry that can benefit significantly from space race,so space race is a pure win for me.
    Your wish to gain something more from your employment does not justify the 100 folder increase of cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodguy View Post
    China has only spent less than 5 billion USD on her manned space missions during the past 10 years,sure our achievement is relative unimpressive comparing to the USA and USSR achieved during the peak of cold war, however given the budge its still good in its own right.

    Just give you an idea about how crazy the cold war were:If China were spending the amount of money like the USA did during the peak of Space race (in terms of money spent to the GDP ratio), then China now should spend 500 billion USD per decade on her space mission instead of 5 billion USD.

    If China could have spent that much of money (e.g. 100X more), I would not be surprised that they could have been sent men mars by now.
    By now? Heck no. In a decade or two? Perhaps but they'd still have to get lucky in having the incredible talents both the US and Russia came accross in their search for space supremacy, both a product of the two countries most involved in rocketry in the 30s ( Germany and Russia ). Both the US and Russia spent a lot but they achieved no less, even the failed Russian moon shot resulted in one of the most efficient and powerful engines made, derivatives of such which can now be found on the US Atlas rockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodguy View Post
    Maybe its time to start a new one then.
    I hope in my liftime people can find some life forms outside of earth, and I am employed in an industry that can benefit significantly from space race,so space race is a pure win for me.
    Be careful with what you wish for. Them aliens might want to have earth regardless of its current occupant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amur_Tiger View Post
    By now? Heck no. In a decade or two? Perhaps but they'd still have to get lucky in having the incredible talents both the US and Russia came accross in their search for space supremacy, both a product of the two countries most involved in rocketry in the 30s ( Germany and Russia ). Both the US and Russia spent a lot but they achieved no less, even the failed Russian moon shot resulted in one of the most efficient and powerful engines made, derivatives of such which can now be found on the US Atlas rockets.
    I was saying that if China could spend 100X more money since 1992 (where their manned mission starts), they may could have done that, I am not saying they can achieve that goal over night.

    And the incredible talents are not that hard to find if you spend enough money to:

    1) Create enough well-paid research opporunities to attract enough talents
    2) Create enough research funds such that it is relatively easy to do research to test ones idea, such that talents have something to do

    I works as a researcher in a copration owned research insistute, it is really not that hard to find talents if you establish enough base to establish a sizeable talent pool, and then give them chances to develop their skills and experiences and give their money to allow them dont worry about anything else.

    At least this is very true for China for obvious reason, China's military research teams and space-related research teams are all very young at the moment, some of these project directors are barely over 30, yet they have already lead very important projects like hyper sonic vehicle or sub-orbit vehicles etc, they will become the so-called "incredible talents" once their projects are done succesfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodguy View Post
    I was saying that if China could spend 100X more money since 1992 (where their manned mission starts), they may could have done that, I am not saying they can achieve that goal over night...
    They could NOT. Chinese economy was in total chaos in 1990s. The state-owned business were dying. They closed their production line and sold their assets, at garbage prices, to private sectors to cash in. There was very high inflation, and millions upon millions of people lost their jobs, if you are old enough to remember what is "xiagang". Aerospace and military industry shrunk heavily. Lots of people could not be paid monthly. They simply left to find other means to live, that's why current workforce is so young. There was no way China could spend 100X more in 1990s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodguy View Post
    At least this is very true for China for obvious reason, China's military research teams and space-related research teams are all very young at the moment, some of these project directors are barely over 30, yet they have already lead very important projects like hyper sonic vehicle or sub-orbit vehicles etc, they will become the so-called "incredible talents" once their projects are done succesfully.
    You can create whatever number of "incredible talents" and pay they as much as they demanded, that has nothing to do with mission success. Otherwise, we would all be traveling around the world riding supersonic jets made in China by now, regarding the endless supply of "talents" from such a huge population.

    There is a huge gap between your wishful thinking and the reality.

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