German court: Circumcision on Jewish boys assault

[JJC]

I had a young Norwegian medical student once tell me "all these studies about circumcision in America are produced by Jewish doctors because they make profits from it." But ye, it's fascinating how circumcision has turned into some militant political movement in some parts of the enlightened world.

[Gleipnir]

At the end of the day, I have no religious or cultural obligation to have a future son circumcised.

Personally, I think it should be a personal decision on his part. I won't force my own decision on him in that regard and see leaving his penis in its natural state to be optimal if at a future date he prefers one over the other.
It is actually quite beneficial in pre-pubescent males excluding very rare cases of medical need.

In terms of reducing the risks of STDs, I will ensure that my son has a very intensive sexual education.
I much rather rely on this and knowledge of condoms and STDs rather than circumcision alone.
Circumcision should never be the sole replacement of this.

Because it is un-necessary, and by this I mean optional- I personally will not have my son circumcised.
If at a later date he wants to undergo circumcision then that is up to him.

I understand the pros and cons, and having weighed them, come to this conclusion.

Of course I have a personal opinion and a stance on the issue, but I would not want to restrict its practice for religious reasons as long as there are good precedences for its proper and safe procedure. (not always the case- furthermore, in very rare cases there can be complications)
I don't like it at all, but I am willing to compromise on the issue and respect religious/cultural observances.

[tanks_alot]

Either I've expressed myself badly or you don't understand/ refuse to accept how this court ruling came to be. The judges didn't intervene on "religious grounds" but on legal concerns. And the law doesn't care what's socially acceptable or what would be "fair to claim". The only thing it cares about is its own universal application and applicableness.
The bottom line is, the religiously motivated circumcision of a (baby-age) boy is an act taking place because the parents want it and not at the boy's behest. And since you can't simply glue it back on should he want to have it back at the age of 14 for whatever reason, the judges thought this intervention to be too extreme to rank the parents' freedom of religion higher than the boys religious freedoms and physical integrity*. Period.

Mmm... yes you can. there are both surgical and non-surgical methods. and honestly, in an age where you can conduct face transplants, grafting a small piece of skin to your ****, is not really out of the ordinary.

Try European porn. Are you also in favour of breasts implants for children because it seems to be popular in the adult entertainment industry?

No, I can't stand fake breasts. don't like how they look and I don't like how they feel. I'll take small natural breasts over big fake ones, any time.

But way to take things out of context, champ!

[T3ngu]

Try European porn. Are you also in favour of breasts implants for children because it seems to be popular in the adult entertainment industry?

Therefore you argue that pooping on people is ok?

[DasVivo]

Ok you are a bigot. Nice insult for all the parents that had their son(s) circumcised.

To others, let's keep it civil. No reason for insults.

Views on circumcision differ, I do not think badly of those who get their child circumcised, that said I do not know if I think it is exactly something I'd encourage either from a parent. Its medical effects such as its alleged 'decrease' in cervical cancer I think is rather much still up for debate... As such I would not argue for or against it either way on that basis, additionally with hygeine (to what I know atleast)

Female circumcision is indeed harmful while male circumcision isn't, that's the key.

Anecdote Time, Friend of mine whom is jewish his own view is he is well against it believing it to be both unnecessary and not something he would of wanted if he had a choice...

Not that it means anything being an anecdote, but his is an example of someone whom it was forced upon and is not happy about it.
Presuming to speak for all is what your arguement argueably comes down to...... (atleast as far as I see it)

Personally if I had to pick sides, I'd probably go with the, let the person choose before doing so side... That said parents are ultimately guardians of their children and have always been making decisions for children, this is just a part of it argueably also whether of body or mind parents shape children somewhat in all societies

[Seek]

Religion aside, anyone who thinks circumcision is a great excuse to not take care of your junk is a fool. Use water and soap from time to time and it won't fall off...

[Jippo]

I am emotionally very attached to my foreskin.

I have never had infection down there, but then again I wash my **** every now and then.

I live in 1st world where we use condoms to prevent STD's, they replace good luck.

I don't understand why anyone would actually like to have part of their genitals removed. Even less than that, I understand people who would like to have part of their kids genitals removed. When people use God's will as a reason to do that I understand it even less: why in the ****sakes your God put it in there in the first place? For people to cut off?

Then again, I don't understand why would anyone like to have a Prince Albert either.

[OrangeWolf]

Hardly anyone circumsizes here, except for Jews and Muslims. I have never heard of women who prefer a circumsized d**k. First time I heard about this was in Israel and from American girls. This is a non-issue here.

I personally believe it should be banned for non-religious purposes, unless there is medical reason. I'd prefer it if minorities didn't do it either, but I am not sure this is worth attacking those groups for their traditions. I find it hard to determine where religious/cultural sensitivities end. This reminds me of the discussion on banning kosher and halal meat, which could have been passed here, I never expected the amount of insult people took from this.

And you can easily keep yourself clean if you are not circumsised. And I either way if you do it right you can enjoy s*x with or without your foreskin, and make it enjoyable.

Female circumcision is not debateable in my opinion, and should be banned and persecuted. But I find myself being really inconsistent here and all I have are religious/cultural arguments of cultures which aren't mine.

When I have a son there is no way I would have him circumsised. Decide for yourself when you are eighteen.

I had a young Norwegian medical student once tell me "all these studies about circumcision in America are produced by Jewish doctors because they make profits from it." But ye, it's fascinating how circumcision has turned into some militant political movement in some parts of the enlightened world.

I am the last person the believe in Jewish conspiracies but I seriously do wonder why it is so heavily advocated in the USA. The medical reasons are minimal in a first-world country, the Christian background has nothing to do with it, so what is it?

Ok you are a bigot. Nice insult for all the parents that had their son(s) circumcised.

To others, let's keep it civil. No reason for insults.

No offense Hollis but I don't think his opinion is meant to be insulting. We are talking about different cultural values here. A lot of people here agree that circumcision of babies is wrong because it is unvoluntary and it is something more or less permanent to their bodies. This is not bigotry. There are so many cultural practices which involve changing one's body permanently, are you a bigot whenever you oppose any of those?

Mmm... yes you can. there are both surgical and non-surgical methods. and honestly, in an age where you can conduct face transplants, grafting a small piece of skin to your ****, is not really out of the ordinary.

But surely you see the comparison? Both change your body personally. And it is hard to see why this should happen for non-medical reasons if your cultural background is not Jewish/Muslim/American.

No, I can't stand fake breasts. don't like how they look and I don't like how they feel. I'll take small natural breasts over big fake ones, any time.

But way to take things out of context, champ!

****s are hardly ever irrelevant!

[Nyusu]

Funny how Turks, Jews and Americans did unite themselves here against European and try to force their point of view on us. Its about Germany and German laws. So if you like to make circumcision on your kids, please do it in other countries, so you wouldnt brake German laws. And "medical reasons" named here are pretty weak - somehow it was never a problem for most of human population in last few thousands years. Not is it today for big part of people in Europe or Asia. Bathing has exactly the same effect as circumcision. If people wish for it they can do it later in their lives, but there is no need to do it to babies based on your religious belief. At least not in Germany.

[T3ngu]

Funny how Turks, Jews and Americans did unite themselves here against European and try to force their point of view on us. Its about Germany and German laws. So if you like to make circumcision on your kids, please do it in other countries, so you wouldnt brake German laws. And "medical reasons" named here are pretty weak - somehow it was never a problem for most of human population in last few thousands years. Not is it today for big part of people in Europe or Asia. Bathing has exactly the same effect as circumcision. If people wish for it they can do it later in their lives, but there is no need to do it to babies based on your religious belief. At least not in Germany.

And conversely how Europe spreads it view to the world.

[OrangeWolf]

Funny how Turks, Jews and Americans did unite themselves here against European and try to force their point of view on us. Its about Germany and German laws. So if you like to make circumcision on your kids, please do it in other countries, so you wouldnt brake German laws. And "medical reasons" named here are pretty weak - somehow it was never a problem for most of human population in last few thousands years. Not is it today for big part of people in Europe or Asia. Bathing has exactly the same effect as circumcision. If people wish for it they can do it later in their lives, but there is no need to do it to babies based on your religious belief. At least not in Germany.

I don't agree with your tone but I agree to some extent with your opinion. But is it worth banning Jews and Muslims from circumsising their boys? Won't we be going against a significant minority group for something that might not be significant? Besides, if you look at many states where abortion is illegal, you see the presence of illegal clinics.

[Nyusu]

I don't agree with your tone but I agree to some extent with your opinion. But is it worth banning Jews and Muslims from circumsising their boys? Won't we be going against a significant minority group for something that might not be significant? Besides, if you look at many states where abortion is illegal, you see the presence of illegal clinics.

But where do you make a line? Why is circumcision for them legal, but other acts of religions or cultural body mutilations (mostly from Africa) illegal? They play the same role in their cultures and they inflict the same harm upon the body. But safety of body is considered more important then religious freedom here. People need to accept that. Cultural and religious practices should adapt to the law of the country they are practiced in, not the other way around.

[Navel Lint]

But where do you make a line? Why is circumcision for them legal, but other acts of religions or cultural body mutilations (mostly from Africa) illegal? They play the same role in their cultures and they inflict the same harm upon the body. But safety of body is considered more important then religious freedom here. People need to accept that. Cultural and religious practices should adapt to the law of the country they are practiced in, not the other way around.

A medical procedure compared to scarification with a rusty knife in a third world **** hole. Yes, mutilation.

[Xaito]

how do parents even get the idea to cut off a piece of their childs genitals?

[seasch]

I never understood the HIV aspect of child mutilation. If a teenager wants to protect himself from HIV by circumcision, he can decide for himself, when he reaches puberty. HIV-protection is hardly a argument for a six month old baby!