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SMG - how to brace?
Hi,
Are there any general best-practices for bracing SMGs when firing? The reason I ask is that there seems to be a wide variety of options available, I figure they can't all be equal and so presumable some approaches are better than others in a given situation. Off the top of my head, I've seen:
- Stock extended and braced against shoulder
- Sometimes with foregrip (or strap)
- No stock, weapon braced with foregrip only
- No stock, weapon braced by holding magazine
- No stock, weapon braced by holding barrel shroud
- Weapon pushed firmly forward so tight in sling (in combination with foregrip / magazine grip, seems to be referred to as "a British thing")
- No stock, pistol grip / stance
Logically, I would have thought that one hand on the front of the weapon, one hand on the grip and the stock braced against the shoulder would have offered the greatest recoil control but I imagine there's some interesting physics at play with #5. Are there any general rules or it simply preference or training?
Loose all the options where stock is not included and you get your answer.
Even with the stock included it's a steal - just dig the stock into your hip, hold the pistol grip and foregrip at waist level (you can hold the magazine if there's no foregrip) and just let rip from side to side in a sweeping motion. If you load it on Sunday it'll fire all week, just like Sylvester Stallone. You can't miss.
Excellent, be sure to let these chaps know http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...bassy/IES3.jpgOriginally Posted by Jippo
Sure, the stocks there but not extended and none of them look like they're going to put any effort into pulling it out.
so, if you already had an answer why did you ask?
I didn't have an answer to the original question - whether or not there were any general practices for their use. The response from Jippo seemed to be saying that only one approach was valid and that the rest weren't. My reply was merely to highlight that it can't be as simple as that given that there are plenty of pics of professionals showing various combinations as per my original post (and no doubt more). What I was hoping for was something along the lines of "Army A teaches Method B whilst Army C teaches Method D" or "Method A is particularly useful in situation B whilst Method C is preferred for Situation D".
Apologies if my question or responses are poorly worded - I have no desire to offend someone with their name in red...
Man MP can be antogonistic sometimes. I'm not sure DanLewis, my training in the military is not with SMG's of any kind. I'm sure there are some guys who lurk around here who were MP's in the Military (pretty sure they still utilize pistol caliber automatics). Perhaps they could answer your question more adequately. Further, firearms training has changed a good deal since the photo you posted of the British SAS.
From my military training and working with police in the US I can say this. The more control you have of your firearm the better.
Indeed. There could be something in what you say about training moving on but I'm sure there's some more recent shots out there of some of the new-fangled PDWs being used with just the foregrip rather than the stock. But yes, more control has to be a good thing so I imagine those who retract the stock are exchanging the benefit of control for some other benefit (handiness perhaps?).
My question isn't to complete an airsoft loadout or similar, it's idle curiosity into the ergonomics of what is quite a curious type of weapon (in terms of the sheer variety variety and the way its popularity waxes and wanes).
And thanks for your response
Last edited by DanLewis; 06-27-2012 at 12:09 PM. Reason: moved the smiley
This.
Well obviously that - it goes without saying
My question was more directed at their use by mere mortals as opposed to Gods....
Saved for sheer awesomeness though.
MP5 no stock, press it into your forearm.
There are several types and there different ammo that is used. Also there are different needs that have to be addressed. From more accurate fire to room clearing. Depends on situation.Well obviously that - it goes without saying
My question was more directed at their use by mere mortals as opposed to Gods....
Saved for sheer awesomeness though.
They are sniper rifles!This.
I am not in a position to tell those guys anything. But then again, who are you to tell me anything?
You come here looking for an answer. I gave you an answer and you respond with asshattery.
Every modern worthwhile SMG technique I know utilises the buttstock if one is available. If that doesn't suit you Dan, do as you please.
That picture is from 1980. Techniques change. Lights are smaller too.
Does anyone even use SMGs anymore? In my limited experience (and my preference) SMGs are most effective with an extended stock pulled into the shoulder and a foregrip.
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