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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    With France out of the war and the German army twenty miles away over the channel, he didn't really have many options"
    It was well known that nazi's hated communists, then why declare war on Hitler and force him to invade France in order to eliminate a second front.

    Also, he had options, Germany asked for peace after France fell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmandPer View Post
    It was well known that nazi's hated communists, then why declare war on Hitler and force him to invade France in order to eliminate a second front.

    Also, he had options, Germany asked for peace after France fell.
    Here is a hint: hitler was very very very very bad, he also had serious firepower under him, nobody forced him to invade any country. What do they teach you in history classes these days?

    What options did he have? Who could guarantee that nazis would not use the "peace" to build up sufficent forces for invasion of GB? Soviets went along with nazis on a peace deal and see how well it worked out for them.

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    I personally like the "force him to invade France" part. Why I bet old Adolph was kicking and screaming all the way through Holland, Denmark and Norway too. That's kind of like the "FDR forced the Japanese to attack Peal Harbor" argument.

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    Capitalists and Communist elites feeded off each other. They needed the bogeyman, to stay in power and enjoy the benefits that power brings. Look what happened after USSR dissolved, capitalism is chocking in it's own vomit.

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    Britain had deep mistrust in Russia's foreign policy going back to even before the Crimean War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AWZT View Post
    Britain had deep mistrust in Russia's foreign policy going back to even before the Crimean War.
    Lol Britain has hated Russia with a passion for several hundred years, the 20th was just another episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    West and East didn't like each other all that much pre WW2. Allying against the Axis was a necessity. Then post WW2 events tipped it from dislike to the Cold War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Cold_War
    But they like each other now both east and west ?!

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    Absolutely, pinky friends and fukbuddies forever.

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    Another important link for you guys.
    Western countries suck as friends.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_betrayal
    To be honest - Hitler didn't left Mussolini. USA and Europe left Poland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaplanr View Post
    I personally like the "force him to invade France" part. Why I bet old Adolph was kicking and screaming all the way through Holland, Denmark and Norway too. That's kind of like the "FDR forced the Japanese to attack Peal Harbor" argument.
    From your posts im not really sure how much knowledge you have on this subject. Japan declared war on USA by attacking Pearl Harbor, which i think is stupid. They could have solved it in another way.

    Please remember this is about the cold war, not justifying some old conflict.

    Im not meaning "forced" in the conventional way. Im just saying with additional enemies to the west he needed to proceed like he did. He needed to make sure that none of the countries that he was at war with could march into his country. Thats why France, holland, belgium and Denmark was important. Norway he needed for their heavy water. Im just saying, had they not declared war, who knows if he would have invaded France, Belguim, Holland and Denmark.

    If you were in control of Germany, and France and England declared war on you. If you didnt do what Hitler did (invading to the west), i would say that you was a complete retard. Would you just tell the french and the brittish, "Please dont attack me while i conquer more ground to the east.". In a tactical sence he was forced to do it if he was to proceed with his plans and survive.

    But my questien still remains, why not just wait and let Hitler finish the commies if the western countries disliked them so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero11 View Post


    What do they teach you in history classes these days?

    Have you not learned how to think? look at what im writing, what does this have to with my history lessons? Geez. I know Hitler was bad, everyone knows that, but you need to think about what im writing instead of seeing it black and white.

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    What options did he have? Who could guarantee that nazis would not use the "peace" to build up sufficent forces for invasion of GB? Soviets went along with nazis on a peace deal and see how well it worked out for them.
    Hitler didnt have anywhere near the naval force to invade Britain. Britain did however know that Germany wanted to attack Russia, and so did Russia, just like Russia wanted to conquer to the west.

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    I think it started right at the end of WWII. First Roosevelt and Churchill let Stalin have Eastern Europe and North Korea. After all the aid given from the US to the Soviets (millions of tons, FWIW) the Soviets "gifted" the US embassy with a beautiful hand carved US seal...with a microphone in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmandPer View Post
    Have you not learned how to think? look at what im writing, what does this have to with my history lessons? Geez. I know Hitler was bad, everyone knows that, but you need to think about what im writing instead of seeing it black and white.



    Hitler didnt have anywhere near the naval force to invade Britain. Britain did however know that Germany wanted to attack Russia, and so did Russia, just like Russia wanted to conquer to the west.
    Hahaaaaaaaaa, I just love your type, arm chair master strategist par excellence. Nazis started occupying its neighbouring countries on their own without any pressure, unless of course you think Poles, Czechs and Slovaks were mortal threat to Germany. Once they started they did not want to stop, there was nothing Britain could have done to prevent nazis going on a rampage. Implying that invasion of France was Churchills fault is apsurd, only a seriously twisted revisionist or very simple minded creature could come up with that conclusion.

    Did you ever think for a minute that a peace treaty would have given Hitler time to further strengthen and increase his naval forces for an invasion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmandPer View Post
    If you were in control of Germany, and France and England declared war on you. If you didnt do what Hitler did (invading to the west), i would say that you was a complete retard. Would you just tell the french and the brittish, "Please dont attack me while i conquer more ground to the east.". In a tactical sence he was forced to do it if he was to proceed with his plans and survive.
    Do you know why Britain and France declared war on Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevlar308 View Post
    I think it started right at the end of WWII.
    You think? Of course it did.

    First Roosevelt and Churchill let Stalin have Eastern Europe and North Korea.
    They didn't let Stalin have anything, the Red Army had captured all that territory from the Germans and the west wasn't in any position to force them out. At Yalta, Churchill was furious with FDR for not taking a stronger stance against Soviet policy in Poland - the reason Britain had declared war in 1939.

    After all the aid given from the US to the Soviets (millions of tons, FWIW) the Soviets "gifted" the US embassy with a beautiful hand carved US seal...with a microphone in it.
    That was in the 1980s.

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