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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexx View Post
    In an interconnected world, there is no superpower anymore. Military force (ie nukes) don't matter that much anymore. If your well being depends on the economic well being of anyone else you don't need a scenario of a nuclear war, anyone uses restrains. The economic backlash of war is way way to high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tusiki View Post
    I think that culture is not the only element in the area of soft power. For example, religion is more powerful than it in many cases.
    Religion certainly is a big cultural factor... but often not limited to specific countries or rather confined regions.
    So it is hard to "use" it in the same way you use consumer goods or media.
    Because soft power is about influencing many people - often on a low but broad level.. this can not be done with religion (anymore).
    In the past it certainly was the case though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Reader View Post
    Religion certainly is a big cultural factor... but often not limited to specific countries or rather confined regions.
    So it is hard to "use" it in the same way you use consumer goods or media.
    Because soft power is about influencing many people - often on a low but broad level.. this can not be done with religion (anymore).
    In the past it certainly was the case though.
    Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

    So this is a controversial question.

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    Soft Power is influence on world culture. So by going by the title, I disagree with that terribly.

    I would argue that the United States is the first soft power superpower:
    -Everyone watches Hollywood
    -Everyone wears blue jeans
    -Everyone listens to American pop music
    -Everyone eats McDonalds
    -Everyone drinks Starbucks
    -Everyone has seen a Ford car on the road
    and most importantly,
    -Everyone learns English; because America runs the business show, as seen above

    The list goes on and on and on.

    Granted, some cool movies come out of China, but they're still underground and don't even touch the American made movies on opening night. When I go around town, I don't see people wearing the latest fashion coming out of Shanghai (style mind you, not manufactured).
    The article does make a fair point that China is developing infrastructure in the 3rd World on a grand scale. That would produce soft power influence. But when the residents of Luanda, Angola go see a movie, I don't think they go see a Chinese flick.

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    Are you a superpower if you finance a superpowers fleet?

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    China basically controls one of the cornerstones (production) of the entire world's economy. And people here are trying to harp on about Starbucks and 'cultural power' or whatever? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    China basically controls one of the cornerstones (production) of the entire world's economy. And people here are trying to harp on about Starbucks and 'cultural power' or whatever? lol
    According to UN data, the U.S. is still the world top manufacturer. Obviously, China has the fastest growth, while U.S. share of global manufacturing has pretty much stabilize around 20% for the last few decades.

    China lead the world in manufacturing back 1830 with about 30% of the global industrial output, who was the "superpower" back during that period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seiyuuki View Post
    According to UN data, the U.S. is still the world top manufacturer. Obviously, China has the fastest growth, while U.S. share of global manufacturing has pretty much stabilize around 20% for the last few decades.

    China lead the world in manufacturing back 1830 with about 30% of the global industrial output, who was the "superpower" back during that period.
    Sorry, are you serious? It's a decline of about 33% in ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackie View Post
    Sorry, are you serious? It's a decline of about 33% in ten years.
    Depends, I went by this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    China basically controls one of the cornerstones (production) of the entire world's economy. And people here are trying to harp on about Starbucks and 'cultural power' or whatever? lol
    It depends what you define as power, or specifically soft power. As far as manufacturing goes, China has that covered several fold. But cultural soft power, while it sounds silly on the surface, does have an effect. That's why it's called "soft" power; it's indirect and subtle. Hard power usually involves military hardware and money; stuff you can hurt another country with.

    If future generations of Russia are more likely to cooperate with the United States because they grew up with Starbucks, blue jeans, and Hollywood movies, you can thank soft power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    China basically controls one of the cornerstones (production) of the entire world's economy. And people here are trying to harp on about Starbucks and 'cultural power' or whatever? lol
    Read first dammit! Do you know what soft power even is?

    Economic production has nothing to do with soft power, unless its tied to soft power in a way (say, a movie about an industrial-themed age, like the upcoming The Great Gatsby film)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    If future generations of Russia are more likely to cooperate with the United States because they grew up with Starbucks, blue jeans, and Hollywood movies, you can thank soft power.
    Doubt it much. Look at post Soviet countries like Ukraine. They are pretty much linked to Russian's bit by bit (let us exclude the main use of the language for a moment), yet look where "Soft power" got Russia? They should be a massive soft power, at least in the eastern world and in the Caucuses, yet all these post soviet countries are trying to be "different". Money talks and Bull**** walks. It will have nothing to do with eating McDonalds (gross) and drinking Starbucks.

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    So China

    What are you gonna do with your new status as super power?

    Lets invade the nearest country ala India.

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