Ought six, do that. Renounce, leave. Then come back illegally. I mean undocumented, and live off all the bennies! Win-win for you.
Originally Posted by Derbedeu
They do not. They have top-quality, inexpensive healthcare. They are also a premiere medical tourism destination. Subsidized care is available, but there is no mandate to buy it.
----------The butthurt is strong with this one.
I could be a wetback and not even be profiled. Awesome!Ought six, do that. Renounce, leave. Then come back illegally. I mean undocumented, and live off all the bennies! Win-win for you.
But I am not going to pick any lettuce. My back could not take it.
How comes that people are assuming that penalties for not paying will be lower then paying? Usually they should be higher. Way higher, to force one into paying.
The current govt run healthcare system Medicade/Medicare has been run into the ground and is full of corruption and waste. What evidence you have on your side of the pond that shows govt run Obamacare will be run any better. I posted this question earlier in this thread but the defenders of Obamacare have been ducking this question.
EDIT: If you're using 2009 figures then yes they are outdated. Inflation has gone up since then.
Well why don't you flip through the 2700 page bill and get back to us on that when you find out what the penalties are going to cost.
Btw. Bill will have to be reworked now. Now it became a tax. And you dont have an option on not paying taxes.
Reading the thread, I guess you guys still haven't become commies, and will proudly keep on having to participate in health lotteries for the poor.
Completely glazed over, but so appropriate:
I always wondered why someone would write such a song. Now I know why,
That is an interesting analysis....here's hoping you're right.Yes, that is becoming clear. Roberts is a sneaky and brilliant bastard. He not only stuck it to Obama, he put Obama in the position of being forced to praise him for it. I wonder if Barry still feels so smug about dissing the SCotUS while the justices were in the audience right in front of him during his State of the Union speech?
Just to sum up all the points in one post....
- Making the mandate a tax opens it up to being struck down when the penalty is first applied because the Obamacare bill originated in the Senate, not the House. All tax bills must originate in the House, per our Constitution.
- Making the mandate a tax means the whole law is a tax law. That means that only 51 votes would be needed in the Senate to repeal it, instead of the normal 60 votes required to prevent a filibuster.
- This decision, for the first time ever, puts hard limits on commerce clause powers, previously assumed to be pretty much unlimited.
- Making the mandate a tax means that the equal protection clause applies. This will open up all the waivers Obama has given to his cronies to be challenged and struck down in court, and prevents him from issuing any future waivers.
- The section of the ruling on Medicaid establishes the principle that Congress cannot withhold healthcare funding to punish states for not complying with provisions of the law. This severely limits the Congress's power over the states by taking away their biggest club it uses to beat them with.
- The Medicare section of the ruling was a huge victory for state's rights, as it prohibits the Congress from 'commandeering state resources'. This means that unfunded mandates on the states by the fedgov are now subject to constitutional challenge on this basis.
- By making the mandate a tax, that hangs a huge 'tax-raiser' banner around Obama's neck, per Hank's post below.
If more interesting points come up, I will add them to this post.
You're the one telling us all you're renouncing US Citizenship and planning on running away.----------The butthurt is strong with this one.
So, do I understand this right, the U.S. Supreme Court, followed the Democratic, Legal way,
and voted on this, and gave a ruling in favour of the President?
And yet, still the butthurt continues?
Ever heard of Prop 8?
Im surprised by how it was justified and by who.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...88-503544.html
Rush Limbaugh: I'll Leave Country Over Health Bill
One can only hope.
Are you telling me that Roberts is legislating from the bench? NO!! Say it isn't so. Only librul judges do that. Conservative judges just look at the constitution and make decisions. No...My world has just been shattered.
C'mon y'all, lay off the right vs. left rhetoric. It's not about that. It's about the advance of progressivism, and the expansion of Federal powers against those who want to restrict Federal powers and maximise individual liberty. Republicans (conservatives) are just as capable of being progressives as democrats...
this.
I'd love a national health care system that actually does what it needs to do, but this is just a mess.
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