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    Quote Originally Posted by usa320 View Post
    If the system was this simple and effective, i think it would have alot of support on both sides of the aisle.
    X2 but I think are so called leaders make it harder on purpose.

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    If we get a Repub Prez and the Repubs controlling both houses of Congress, that still does not insure that they can repeal Obamacare. They would have to get enough Dem votes in the Senate to prevent a filibuster. The bill that repeals Obamacare would also likely include the Repubs' own new healthcare plan. That is very likely to contain many of the following provisions:

    - The ability to purchase health insurance across state lines.
    - A ban on insurance companies refusing coverage for preexisting conditions. (an Obamacare provision)
    - A mandate that insurance companies must allow parents to keep their children on their policy until age 26. (an Obamacare provision)
    - A mandate not to charge more for people with preexisting conditions. (?an Obamacare provision?)
    - Caps on malpractice lawsuit awards.
    - Reform of malpractice insurance laws.
    - Subsidized preventative care.
    - Allowing individuals and small businesses to band together in groups or coops and purchase group policies.
    - An expansion of health savings accounts (HSAs).
    - Tax deductions for the purchase of private health care insurance.
    - 'Portability'; i.e., allowing people to keep their employer-provided healthcare plan after they leave or lose their job.
    - Streamlining the FDA prescription drug approval process.
    - More federal funding for 'free clinics' in poor neighborhoods.

    There may also be some Medicare/Medicaid reforms bundled into the bill, including block-granting Medicare and Medicaid payments to the states to administer as they see fit, and possibly even a major reform of these programs. Major Medicare/Medicaid reform being added to the bill would make it harder to pass, so I suspect they will deal with that issue separately.

    The above proposals would greatly reduce the cost of healthcare, the opposite of the Obamacare law. The drawback is that those who still cannot afford healthcare at all or refuse to buy it are not provided coverage, other than expanded access to free clinics. That means the burden on emergency rooms from this group using them as their primary healthcare provider would only be reduced somewhat by expanded free clinics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post

    - The ability to purchase health insurance across state lines.
    - A ban on insurance companies refusing coverage for preexisting conditions. (an Obamacare provision)
    - A mandate that insurance companies must allow parents to keep their children on their policy until age 26. (an Obamacare provision)
    - A mandate not to charge more for people with preexisting conditions. (?an Obamacare provision?)
    - Caps on malpractice lawsuit awards.
    - Reform of malpractice insurance laws.
    - Subsidized preventative care.
    - Allowing individuals and small businesses to band together in groups or coops and purchase group policies.
    - An expansion of health savings accounts (HSAs).
    - Tax deductions for the purchase of private health care insurance.
    - Streamlining the FDA prescription drug approval process.

    There may also be some Medicare/Medicaid reforms bundled into the bill, including block-granting Medicare and Medicaid payments to the states to administer as they see fit, and possibly even a major reform of these programs. Major Medicare/Medicaid reform being added to the bill would make it harder to pass, so I suspect they will deal with that issue separately.
    Sounds like an all around better deal IMO. The problem is the lemmings have already deemed Obamacare as the best thing while "Rethuglicans" want to dismantle "progress" and "forward"ness.

    How do Republicans sell this to those and the media? We needed a bit of reform and tax breaks/incentatives - not added taxes and regulations in the midst of an economic catastrophe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    - Caps on malpractice lawsuit awards.
    - Streamlining the FDA prescription drug approval process
    Those two things right there would go a long way. Malpractice insurance makes medical care for all more expensive.
    And streamlining (ie cheapening) FDA approval will make medication and equipment much more competitive. If I patented a cure for AIDs tomorrow, it would never, ever see the light of day b/c I can't afford the trial/ approval process. Also, companies have a disincentive to trial new innovative treatments unless they all but guarantee a huge payout.

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    I agree with your post but I am still reeling from the backstabbing from the so called conservative judge. Fvcking RINOS.

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    Yeah, our judges are supposed to follow party lines. When they don't we call them backstabbers. What a great American ideal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlintHillBilly View Post
    Sounds like an all around better deal IMO. The problem is the lemmings have already deemed Obamacare as the best thing while "Rethuglicans" want to dismantle "progress" and "forward"ness. How do Republicans sell this to those and the media? We needed a bit of reform and tax breaks/incentatives - not added taxes and regulations in the midst of an economic catastrophe.
    The liberal media will be waging an all-out propaganda war against the repeal and the new Repub plan. All the Repubs can do is press forward and try to get their message out as best they can. I hope they are smart enough to use 'new media' effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plato View Post
    Yeah, our judges are supposed to follow party lines. When they don't we call them backstabbers. What a great American ideal!
    No, the constitution is what they are supposed to follow. Now were all stabbed in the back Einstein.

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    Well, the "RINOS" get to decide what is constitutional and what is not. You do not.

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    "Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn’t have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others. This doesn’t cost the government a single dollar."

    Romney said this. Romney implemented this. You seriously think this guy is going to completely revamp this clusterf*ck? The Insurance companies will not allow it. They own Congress. "Obamacare" is a f*cking joke. It was flawed from the beginning. Too many cooks, too much outside influence. "Liberal media" has nothing to do with it. The presumptive Republican President has a plan. It's this.

    Let me ask you something, if there was a Governor that implemented a complete gun ban in his state and talked about how noteworthy and brilliant it was...Then the same thing was brought up by a Democrat President, you would obviously hate it, but would you then elect said Governor to repeal it? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlintHillBilly View Post
    Sounds like an all around better deal IMO. The problem is the lemmings have already deemed Obamacare as the best thing while "Rethuglicans" want to dismantle "progress" and "forward"ness.

    How do Republicans sell this to those and the media? We needed a bit of reform and tax breaks/incentatives - not added taxes and regulations in the midst of an economic catastrophe.
    i highly doubt the republicans will do these:

    - A ban on insurance companies refusing coverage for preexisting conditions. (an Obamacare provision)

    - A mandate that insurance companies must allow parents to keep their children on their policy until age 26. (an Obamacare provision)
    - A mandate not to charge more for people with preexisting conditions. (?an Obamacare provision?)

    and if they do, how are they going to stop me from buying insurance only when i need it? since there wont be a price hike due to an existing condition. At that point i wont be buying insurance, i'll be paying a service subsidized by the other people who are paying into the insurance.

    Thats the catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plato View Post
    Well, the "RINOS" get to decide what is constitutional and what is not. You do not.
    Plato, are you on the rag? Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
    i highly doubt the republicans will do these:

    - A ban on insurance companies refusing coverage for preexisting conditions. (an Obamacare provision)

    - A mandate that insurance companies must allow parents to keep their children on their policy until age 26. (an Obamacare provision)
    - A mandate not to charge more for people with preexisting conditions. (?an Obamacare provision?)

    and if they do, how are they going to stop me from buying insurance only when i need it? since there wont be a price hike due to an existing condition. At that point i wont be buying insurance, i'll be paying a service subsidized by the other people who are paying into the insurance.

    Thats the catch.
    So your premise is that politicians will not pass extremely popular provisions just because they are stupid and will not work? Seriously ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    Then the same thing was brought up by a Democrat President, you would obviously hate it, but would you then elect said Governor to repeal it? Really?
    If his job depended on it he might. Keep the same guy in though and you don't even have a "might", you have a, "no f--king way". I'll take the "might".

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