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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet Fashion by Mindy View Post
    Australia doesn't have a universal health care system per se.
    Wouldn't that make you guys... backwards? Why don't you join the rest of the civilized world .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPL Trevoga View Post
    All I know that country should not be run as for profit business. That is certain. To answer your question, I have to guess. Since taxpayers paid for bank bailouts, that's not hard to guess who's gonna pay. People who work. You and me.
    And now you know why so many are pissed. Even if by some miracle the company I work for keeps offering insurance my taxes will STILL go up to subsidize the "30 million more" who don't have insurance, many, if not most, who pay no taxes. Why the hell should I be happy about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPL Trevoga View Post
    All I know that country should not be run as for profit business. That is certain. To answer your question, I have to guess. Since taxpayers paid for bank bailouts, that's not hard to guess who's gonna pay. People who work. You and me.
    Comrad! The country should be run for the greater good of the people and those who break their backs making it such a great country. The only thing we need, so we are not lost comrads in the field is a glorious leader! For better USA!

    Certain things do need to be ran as a business and certain things do not. I will give you that much.

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    Our system is weird. I always thought it was universal but upon reading about it. It's not.


    We have a two tiered system.

    Services in the government run hospitals are generally "free"

    For everything else it's user pays.

    What we have done however is that the government sets the prices for medical services. The government will pay this cost. It is up to the service provider whether they accept this cost, thus making the service free or decide to charge more. Depending on market factors some doctors will accept the government fee as their own fees or charge a higher rate. The difference is made up by the population.

    So for example. A normal 15 minute consultation with a General Practitioner costs 100 bucks. the government will pay 75 dollars and the patient will pay 25 dollars. My doctor only charges 75 dollars thus making my doctor appointments free.

    Our medicines are also subsidised quite heavily but there is still an element of "user pays" even for pensioners and the unemployed. It costs me 5 dollars to get a prescription, it costs my sister 30 dollars.

    Our private health insurance helps people pay the gap for services and using private hospitals to avoid long waiting times for non-life threatening surgery, dentistry and eye care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet Fashion by Mindy View Post
    Our system is weird. I always thought it was universal but upon reading about it. It's not.


    We have a two tiered system.

    Services in the government run hospitals are generally "free"

    For everything else it's user pays.

    What we have done however is that the government sets the prices for medical services. The government will pay this cost. It is up to the service provider whether they accept this cost, thus making the service free or decide to charge more. Depending on market factors some doctors will accept the government fee as their own fees or charge a higher rate. The difference is made up by the population.

    So for example. A normal 15 minute consultation with a General Practitioner costs 100 bucks. the government will pay 75 dollars and the patient will pay 25 dollars. My doctor only charges 75 dollars thus making my doctor appointments free.

    Our medicines are also subsidised quite heavily but there is still an element of "user pays" even for pensioners and the unemployed. It costs me 5 dollars to get a prescription, it costs my sister 30 dollars.

    Our private health insurance helps people pay the gap for services and using private hospitals to avoid long waiting times for non-life threatening surgery, dentistry and eye care.
    does your country have a shortage of doctors or a problem with quality of care? Is there a difference in care between a doc that charges 100 to 75? Do most people choose to see a doc who charges 75 as opposed to 100?

    Fascinating stuff.

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    Whether a medical service sets their fees to the government schedule or charges more depends on market factors generally. When I was living in the Inner West of Sydney most services as far as I knew accepted the government schedule for fees due to the higher population and competition.

    In rural and regional areas where competition is lower the story is different.

    Medical providers will also use a patients circumstances to determine the fee. If you are on a pension/unemployed or low income and qualify for a health care card they may choose to use the governments schedule fee. If you work or otherwise don't qualify for the health care card they may charge a higher fee.

    There is a chronic shortage of trained doctors in rural and remote areas however and outside of the state capitol's some specialist medical services simply do not exist. Even my city lacks certain services that are only available in Sydney.

    As for level of care. Like everything in life, a lot depends no the skills and experience in those who provide a service. Problems do arise from time to time like in any health system but compared to world systems our system is right up there if not better then most developed nations in the quality of care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlintHillBilly View Post
    Cronies... ha. Ill assume you just have a presumption that any letter beginning with R is bad. Have you forgotten about all the green energy favors?
    he hasnt forgotten but as an Obamabot truth teamer he puts out the lie enough hoping the masses will believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPL Trevoga View Post
    Wow, America finally caught up with with advanced countries. Mr.Obama I salute you. There is hope for America still.
    How pathetically sad of you. But then I see who it is and am not surprised

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    How much of the Spiraling Heathcare costs is also to due to Insurance rates and Malpractice judgements in the Millions of dollars? Seems the only winners are Lawyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    How much of the Spiraling Heathcare costs is also to due to Insurance rates and Malpractice judgements in the Millions of dollars? Seems the only winners are Lawyers
    http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/09/...ys-46-billion/

    the actual study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...ihms269333.pdf
    It is less than 0.5% of the total Healthcare cost. It = malpractice judgement.

    The room is 100 degrees, and you will feel much cooler when I make it 99.5 degrees. (assuming I can get rid of ALL malpractice judgements)

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    How many health insurance paper pushers, administrators, and bureaucrats are employed for every frontline doctor, nurse, physician assistant, lab tech, janitor, medical assistant?

    Seriously, you get government and lawyers working on behalf of health insurance companies OUT of the way of medical professionals and medical professionals partnered with entrepreneurs WILL develop a "McDonald's of Healthcare" business model providing relatively affordable healthcare that can be replicated by the thousands.

    Here's the tip of the iceberg:

    http://takecarehealth.com/what-we-treat.aspx

    There are so many business models that could be pursued simultaneously to find out which couple work best.

    Subcription based business models.

    Incentive based business models(where healthcare professionals are incentivized to keep patients healthy rather than treating the sick).

    Mixed models......primary care practices partnered with gyms.

    Etc.

    The best chance for the best business models to bubble to the surface is at the local/state laboratory level......not the all of nothing one size fits all federal level.

    Think of it like the music or venture capital industry.

    There's a reason why they invest broadly across a whole bunch of music bands and business models/industries.....because most suck and will fail.

    For every 1 superstar band or business model, there's the wreckage of many failed bands and businesses.

    I just don't see government offering a super awesome solution.....I see a vote buying monster that is a bandaid covering gangrene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagg View Post
    What I fear about this judgement by the Supreme Court, beyond my complete agreement that US healthcare NEEDS complete overhaul.....is the trashing of the 10th Ammendment.

    If it's not a designated federal issue it's kicked to the states.

    They get around this by calling pretty much everything interstate commerce and calling this a mandatory tax.

    And taxation is supposed to be determined in the House.

    I don't think healthcare will get any better or any worse...but I'm pretty sure liberty and freedom just got kicked in the nuts again.
    The 10th has been good and dead for quite a while now. So far my working theory that Im pretty sure of is that there is something in the air at DC that makes politicos unable to actually see the lines of the 10th. Probably ancient swamp gas. Or maybe Ben's Chilli puts something extra in their dogs.

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    Well if the 10th is dead, the only thing that keeps the Republic on life support in a coma is 2 Senators per State.

    I'm absolutely convinced of epidemic levels of corruption in the political process for both the executive and legislative branch.

    I don't really have an opinion on corruption and/or undue influence occurring within the Judicial branch......but I am stunned at the disregard for the 10th ammendment and how pretty much everything under the sun is deemed interstate commerce.

    Hopefully the damage can be undone at some stage and states' rights reasserted.

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    I agree with Flagg on corruption on the highest levels. Obama is openly picking and choosing which laws he wants to up hold or follow and nothing can be done.

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