A Point of View: Don’t mention the war?

[Corrupt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18645370

It's time to stop invoking Hitler and the Nazis in arguments about everything from censorship to birth control - but we should never stop heeding the lessons of World War II, says Adam Gopnik.

I considered putting it on OT&T, but I decided to stick it here, because he does make a few points worthy of discussion, including but not limited to the following:

What should WW2 mean to people today?
Should both left and right refrain from "reductio ad Hitlerium"?
Is American "exceptionalism" just a pc description of nationalism?
To what extent do the alleged problems with Muslims in France today, mirror the historical suspicions of Jews?

Given the somewhat inflammatory questions raised, I'll paraphrase Zorro and say that I'd like to see some actual debate in this thread, rather than just "You're wrong [insult]".

[C.Puffs]

"Muslims in France today, mirror the historical suspicions of Jews?"

Did Jews burn cars, loot, and riot at any perceived insult?

[Corrupt]

Did Jews burn cars, loot, and riot at any perceived insult?

I don't know, it's not an area I'm massively read up on. I can see how you could claim there are parallels, in both cases you have substantial minority population seen as "different", due to a combination of racial/religious traits.

[kalerab]

Yes, but the muslims are viewed as the poor, uneducated class (stereotypical view) while Jews were seen as exact opposite.

[LineDoggie]

I don't know, it's not an area I'm massively read up on. I can see how you could claim there are parallels, in both cases you have substantial minority population seen as "different", due to a combination of racial/religious traits.

The ANswer you were looking for is No, they didnt riot, burn and threaten lives.

[JustBrowsing]

I always mention the war in meetings with Germans or when thinking how to react to them.
I believe WW2 to be the single most important event of my countries history, since all of my nation was to be exterminated, and architects and executioners of this designs were accepted by German society post-war.
Thus for me every German action must be seen through this prism.

[Corrupt]

The ANswer you were looking for is No, they didnt riot, burn and threaten lives.

I was being honest. Other than knowing they were unpopular and one or two notorious massacres, I know pretty much nothing about Jews in Europe since the middle ages. There were certainly a few Jewish anarchists who gave the silent majority a bad name, as happens with Islamic extremists.

Yes, but the muslims are viewed as the poor, uneducated class (stereotypical view) while Jews were seen as exact opposite.

That's a fair point.

I always mention the war in meetings with Germans

[Hollis]

I always mention the war in meetings with Germans or when thinking how to react to them.
I believe WW2 to be the single most important event of my countries history, since all of my nation was to be exterminated, and architects and executioners of this designs were accepted by German society post-war.
Thus for me every German action must be seen through this prism.

Let me suggest that you take some time off. I can not disagree with you on the evilness of nazism. The architects of that insanity are all or pretty much dead. What you may not see is that nazism was not a nationalism it was a disease that could have infected any nation or people. It did not grow out of a void if grew out of retaliation, vindictiveness, petty nationalism and hate. Those seed were planted at the end of WWI.

If you continue to bash all Germans for this insanity, your time on this forum will end abruptly. It iwill not be for your hatred of nazism but your inability to separate all of the victims of nazism and practicing your own brand of petty nationalistic vindictiveness.

[JustBrowsing]

If you continue to bash all Germans for this insanity, your time on this forum will end abruptly.

I do not bash all Germans for Nazism and nationalism. There were of course good Germans like those who spied for Allies or deserted Wehrmacht.

[Hollis]

I do not bash all Germans for Nazism and nationalism. There were of course good Germans like those who spied for Allies or deserted Wehrmacht.

You have been warned, I will not warn you again. There is a lot more people than those you just mentioned.

Maybe I should blame you for all of the actions of Służba Bezpieczeństwa. (This is not a discussion but a warning.)

[JustBrowsing]

There is a lot more people than those you just mentioned.

Of course, there were for example communist Germans in French Resistance.

[JustBrowsing]

Maybe I should blame you for all of the actions of Służba Bezpieczeństwa. (This is not a discussion but a warning.)

Since it didn't engage in genocidal racist crusade in order to exterminate other nations, its not really comparable to German actions. Nor was it elected to power, like the Nazis and their coalition partner DNVP with over 51% of votes.

[Hisroyalhighness]

Since I didn't engage in genocidal racist crusade in order to exterminate other nations, its not really comparable to German actions. Nor was it elected to power, like the Nazis and their coalition partner DNVP with over 51% of votes.

Do widzenia

[my name again]

Since I didn't engage in genocidal racist crusade in order to exterminate other nations, its not really comparable to German actions. Nor was it elected to power, like the Nazis and their coalition partner DNVP with over 51% of votes.

Come to germany and find somebody who did engage in genocidal racist crusade in order to exterminate other nations. I doubt you will find anybody, maybe some 85 year old person , who will die soon anyway. Just give it a rest. Its getting sad really, that you jump every thread that has germany somewhere in it and tell the sam B.S. over and over again.

[Steak-Sauce]

Of course, there were for example communist Germans in French Resistance.

There were also some pretty normal people in Germany. All you've ever done is seeing two extremes: Nazis and anti-Nazis.

Then again, I wonder what you think of Austrians.