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    Default Gunfire blamed for more wildfires; target shooting limited

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    Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, a Republican, is taking heat for authorizing restrictions on target shooting on state and county land after it was determined that gunfire started one blaze. Officials were deciding today how to impose the politically charged ban in some areas because of the fire risk, the
    Salt Lake Tribune says
    . A decision is expected soon.
    Hmm. How does target shooting start wildfires again?

    "This does not abridge anybody's constitutional right to bear firearms," Herbert said. "But we're facing a serious fire season, and the state forester has the authority to limit [shooting] in unincorporated areas."
    Sure sounds like you are though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
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    Hmm. How does target shooting start wildfires again?
    Tracers or dragon breath shotgun shells. Coupled with booze, no common sense and no fire extinguishers. (I carry 2 when car camping.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry's Fork View Post
    Tracers or dragon breath shotgun shells. Coupled with booze, no common sense and no fire extinguishers. (I carry 2 when car camping.)
    Possibly very dry material coming in contact with the ejected shells to, well being a hot day. Might start a fire but would take time.
    But more likely a broken bottle and some dry grass and how weather, since that seems to be a more likely cause.

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    depends on the ammo more than anything, some rounds can spark while others don't....

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
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    Hmm. How does target shooting start wildfires again?
    Sparks when rounds ricochet off rocks.
    One time when I was at the shooting range, this idiot was shooting at the ground about 10 meters in front of him. The range that we were at was really rocky, and you could tell the rounds were ricocheting off because you could see dirt puffs coming up about 20 meters away. Anyways, I'm guessing sparks from one of the rounds sparked and hit some dry grass that was next to the ground he was shooting at. The grass started smoldering, and the range master called a cease fire, ran out, and extinguished the smoldering grass. Then he kicked the idiot off the range for shooting at the ground. If it's hot enough, and theres wind, something smoldering is enough to start a major fire.

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    Google says the governor isn't exactly the Brady Center type of guy and given recent events I think his concerns are legit as well as is his response justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourImaginaryStalker View Post
    Possibly very dry material coming in contact with the ejected shells to, well being a hot day. Might start a fire but would take time.
    But more likely a broken bottle and some dry grass and how weather, since that seems to be a more likely cause.
    Highly doubt that, and i just dumped over 900rds in a grassy, dry as hell, 90 degree Mendocino National Forest last thurs. without a hitch.

    I not even sure a spent casing could ignite a pool of flamable liquid, but i wouldnt put money on it.

    Lets call Mythbusters, im too chicken to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourImaginaryStalker View Post
    Possibly very dry material coming in contact with the ejected shells to, well being a hot day. Might start a fire but would take time.
    But more likely a broken bottle and some dry grass and how weather, since that seems to be a more likely cause.
    Uh No a cartridge case ejected isnt hot enough to ignite a fire. Have fired Machineguns for decades and piles of hot brass on dry grass did not ignite 1 fire.

    However what those Schmucks did was fire a Dragonbreath shotgun shell. the round is filled with Magnesium as labeled as a fire hazard as it throws incendiery material 100yds. You have to be a class A Putz to shoot those in dry woods.


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    As for sparks, Steel cored or Jacketed bullets would be the Likely sources as Bronze jacketed and Lead arent known for it when hitting rocks. Tracers of course will start fires but again you have to be a colossal moron to fire tracers in dry woods. (spent many an Hour stripping tracers out of Linked belts for just that reason)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    As for sparks, Steel cored or Jacketed bullets would be the Likely sources as Bronze jacketed and Lead arent known for it when hitting rocks. Tracers of course will start fires but again you have to be a colossal moron to fire tracers in dry woods. (spent many an Hour stripping tracers out of Linked belts for just that reason)
    Sparks from green tips dont seem that much of a danger. *shrugs*

    Old roomate said that his group of fools spent many a hour at Fort Jackson pulling tracers as punishment for starting a bunch of fires on the range with a extra peppered link in a SAW. Or so the story goes.

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    can gunfire start a fire, yes of course it can, but forrestfires are only natural, the problem is that people try to prevent forestfires and let nature take its course, dry material starts to pile up, and once it starts to burn the effects will be far more devastating. it was unwise to go out and shoot some guns, but if the bullet didn't start the fire something else would most likely have ignited it

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    I believe the French military had problems a couple of years back with starting fires on a military range with gunfire during a long hot dry spell. Somebody lost their rank over it as I recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger View Post
    I believe the French military had problems a couple of years back with starting fires on a military range with gunfire during a long hot dry spell. Somebody lost their rank over it as I recall.
    Yep it was in the South of France in 2009 (Carpiagne training facility) with tracers (while they are forbidden and for goood reason during summer or dry time)

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    In structure fires if the cause is not found then it almost always defaults to electrical failure. I'm not saying that they are laying a "default" blame on the shooters in this case but after participating in a fire investigation I was a disappointed at the sheer amount of speculation that went into the final report.

    My default blame almost always goes to smokers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
    Hmm. How does target shooting start wildfires again?
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    It used to happen all the time in the Summer @ the Range in Ft Sill but that was due to tracers.

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