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    ^^This alone really should anull the whole election. There's already 9,500 cases. I'm sure much more to come. Funny that they screwed themselves over and were cheated by the PRI. It's a perfect analogy. In return for accepting this corruption, they were cheated by the party and were not given what they were promised. They gave their consent to be okay with corruption and were immediately screwed. Perfect analogy.

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    Why is Mexico so corrupt? For a once proud country it seems like the country has turned into a bunch of thieves and crooks.

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    Mexico's been full of thieves and crooks since it was colonized in the 1400's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahlgd View Post
    Mexico's been full of thieves and crooks since it was colonized in the 1400's
    hahahahaha...so true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahlgd View Post
    ^^This alone really should anull the whole election. There's already 9,500 cases. I'm sure much more to come. Funny that they screwed themselves over and were cheated by the PRI. It's a perfect analogy. In return for accepting this corruption, they were cheated by the party and were not given what they were promised. They gave their consent to be okay with corruption and were immediately screwed. Perfect analogy.
    Yeah there will be more to be counted... Im going this 7th of july to Mexico city to take part of the "Mega marcha contra Pena nieto " ill take my camera and take a look around to bring more information to you guys. in the mean time im going to keep posting pictures videos of the plenty inconsistencies that took place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahlgd View Post
    Mexico's been full of thieves and crooks since it was colonized in the 1400's
    1500's to be correct ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK in AK View Post
    Why is Mexico so corrupt? For a once proud country it seems like the country has turned into a bunch of thieves and crooks.
    Not to $h-1t on democracy but Mexico or its inhabitants never had that necesity to explore the Idea of democracy. Mexico was rule for 300 years by a Monarchy which brought up all the detail corruption from the mother country spain. When Mexico finally became independent it was not from the orginal idea of the liberal thought it gain its independece in a cruel twist in history from the very conservative govt that the original revolutinaries were fighting. from then the first MExican empire lasted a little less than a year and a power struggle consume the country for a century. the real Mexico begins after the " Mexican revolution". where the party PNR now called PRI, began to exercise the the govt of old where the monarch from Spain sends a vice king "virrey " for a term or such then is replace by a selected person that the monarch wanted. And now as they say:" the rest is history".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoedusTriplex View Post
    Not to $h-1t on democracy but Mexico or its inhabitants never had that necesity to explore the Idea of democracy. Mexico was rule for 300 years by a Monarchy which brought up all the detail corruption from the mother country spain. When Mexico finally became independent it was not from the orginal idea of the liberal thought it gain its independece in a cruel twist in history from the very conservative govt that the original revolutinaries were fighting. from then the first MExican empire lasted a little less than a year and a power struggle consume the country for a century. the real Mexico begins after the " Mexican revolution". where the party PNR now called PRI, began to exercise the the govt of old where the monarch from Spain sends a vice king "virrey " for a term or such then is replace by a selected person that the monarch wanted. And now as they say:" the rest is history".
    Pretty much. A culture of acceptance of corruption and unjustness that's been passed down from the Spanish colonial system and continued through one way or another for the last 500 years. With Mexico opening up as a multiparty system in 2000 there was great hope that this would change but it certainly looks like the PRI is taking Mexico back to that same BS mentality. Acceptance of corruption and injustice is pretty much pervasive in the majority of Mexico due to it being force upon the population for 5 centuries and those who don't accept it are simply ignored or repressed. The only places where you not going to find an acceptance of corruption are maybe a few isolated regions in southern Mexico where this mindset failed to ever really take root like the Yucatan or parts of Chiapas. However these areas are neglected and or marginalized by the government and for the most part stay separate partially by choice. Can't really blame them.

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    Citizen Advisor je IFE Nuevo Leon


    Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, July 4, 2012


    My name is Carlos Quiroz Gabriel Sanchez. I am a citizen electoral counselor District 6 Federal Electoral Institute in Nuevo Leon.


    I decide to take the floor to voice my concern over allegations of electoral fraud in the election of President of the United Mexican States that have been publicly reported in our federal state and the republic. I think to get this text at all levels of the Federal Electoral Institute and make it public.


    I speak in my capacity as a director election, since it assumes that as a citizen in turn serve the citizens who would like to monitor and speak out about the electoral process, but due to time for work responsibilities, family, student, health or other nature can not do. Or that by simple logic of numbers would be ineffective to have hundreds, thousands or millions of citizens with the rights of a counselor. Therefore counselors should be the microphone, eyes and ears of citizens.


    So I'll do the best to reproduce the information and opinions are communicating a highly significant number of citizens for social media, protests, marches, statements to the media, publications and directly to me. I apologize and make the observation that lack of time I have not been able to document all this methodologically.


    The charges themselves are not evidence of crimes or system failures. But the perception that has been generated on the IFE and the electoral process deserves attention and decisive action of electoral institutions. Whether much or as little validity of the charges, the volume and gravity are in themselves a political crisis that questions the legitimacy of our entire political system.


    Let me repeat this point. Is questioning the legitimacy of our entire political system. That is sufficient cause to initiate a thorough and urgent the effectiveness and integrity of our electoral system.


    In other words, we need to respond thoughtfully, "Is our electoral system to fulfill its mission to organize and validate the choice of democratically elected representatives?".


    And if not, then what IS what you are doing?


    In a way the citizens should be the customers for whom the electoral system works and should be satisfied. If you are not serving the citizens, to whom he is serving? Who is leaving satisfied?


    Let's review the warning signs and discontent.


    1. Vote buying. Abundant reports by election observers and citizens on vote buying in private homes, parties and outside facilities or near boxes. There are sporadic reports but throughout the country. Circulating a video called "Ladies PRI Angry for Not Getting Paid Part-Azcapotzalco PRI" on Azcapotzalco in Mexico City. Reports around the country for payments of 500, 750, 1000, 1200, 1500 and 4mil pesos.


    2. Gifts for votes. Reports of gifts of all kinds. Highlight the cards of different types, including Soriana cards donated by the Institutional Revolutionary Party that triggered panic buying by rumors of cancellation. From page No embargo.mx read the case of the Soriana store on the hill Juan Escutia in Mexico City where hundreds of people tried to pay for merchandise with these cards which were supposed to have a balance of 500 thousand pesos or but to check the balance did not have that amount. I also received a report of gift phones.


    3. Accarreo. Numerous reports, including the Civic Alliance of the results of their national election observation published on July 3 which indicates "the reports said there were hauling in 14% of the cells observed in all states." States they observed were Baja California, Baja California Sur, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Mexico City, Mexico, Guanajuato, Hidalgo, Jalisco, Morelos, Nayarit, Nuevo Leon, Oaxaca, Puebla, Queretaro, San Luis Potosi, Sinaloa, Sonora, Tabasco, Veracruz and Yucatan.


    4. Coercion of the vote. Reports of vote coercion through intimidation, threats of job consequences or threats of physical violence outside of the boxes. A report of men armed with sticks out of a box and were threatened that if voters did not vote for a party and knew what would happen.


    5. Violation of the secret ballot. Situations in which he questioned the voters for whom they would vote or who voted. I call attention to what is included in the same report mentioned above Civic Alliance which reported that 21% of the cells observed was reported that citizens could not vote in secret and I quote: "We note that the main deficiency was accompanying children using different citizens to vote on different occasions called falcons, in the State of Mexico, Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Jalisco. There were people with lists of voters, who were palomeando (other than the voters list), or had people talking in the row or before the arrival to citizens, doing some form of pressure. "The same report states" The pressure was in favor of the PRI-PVEM by 71%, 17% for the PAN, 9% for the PRD, and 3% for the Beehive. "


    6. Campaign spending. The perception of excessive spending and even illegal campaign along with the impression that the Federal Electoral Institute did not act assertively to investigate or stop it. Many citizens also have the perception that many campaigns are funded by drug money. The widespread belief of diverting public resources.


    7. Favoritism and manipulation of information on media. Accusations that the media, particularly television and newspapers favored the campaign Enrique Peña Nieto of the coalition commitment by Mexico.


    8. Handling of surveys / polls as propaganda. Dissatisfaction from weeks before election day in which citizens perceive that popular surveys such as that promoted by the Millennium group Consulta Mitofsky were wrong or were simply dishonest.


    9. Electoral violence. Attacks on Protestants during the campaigns, assaults and murders against election observers, including the murder of Thomas Betancur Gaytan, coordinator of the National Regeneration Movement (MORENA) in the municipality of Juarez in Nuevo Leon here.


    10. Theft polls. Incidents in different states of theft by force of polls over the course of election day. As was the case in section 1513 of this district.


    11. Payment of field representatives. Reports of a high investment in hiring field representatives and general representatives to have representatives in almost all fields of the country.


    12. Passivity of the Federal Electoral Institute and FEPADE. Feeling that the IFE does not have the initiative to put the magnifying glass or enforce the law. To evade confrontation with the parties or complicity. That the Special Prosecutor has no interest in detecting and investigating crimes election.


    13. Leftover ballots and duplicate pages. Mistrust left over ballots sent to districts to build the ballot boxes. Detection of duplicate pages.


    14. Ballot boxes in the hands of supporters of political parties. Videos, photos and testimony from ballot boxes in the hands of members or supporters of political parties.


    15. Special pencils for voting. Mistrust of the pencil for possible easily to be erased. Distrust that is just a pencil.


    16. The Preliminary Electoral Results Program (PREP). PREP distrust and suspicion of manipulation of the data presented as are the differences between the minutes, the blankets of results and data in the PREP. Reviews of boxes showing citizen participation rates above 100% and sometimes up to 300% percent or more. What should be an instrument for building confidence of the results is now a major source of uncertainty.


    17. Coordination of the message of President Leonardo Valdés Zurita counselor with the congratulatory message of President Felipe Calderon Hinojosa. Suspicion and discontent about the message of the quick count results followed by the congratulations of the President of the United Mexican States to the candidate Enrique Peña Nieto. Considered an implicit declaration of victory in the elections, when it is up to the Electoral Tribunal. Suspicions of negotiation between the President of Mexico or the National Action Party and the Institutional Revolutionary Party.


    If true enough of these allegations, the implications are that the Federal Electoral Institute is a wash of votes. In which it enters the system, say vote-buying, manipulation of public perception, coercion, hauling, etc.. is made up in an intermediate process validated by the work of polling officials and district and local councils to give legitimacy and luster.


    This would make the polling officials and all citizens who work in good faith in the IFE both victims as facilitators of a great delusion in which the citizen unwittingly helps corrupt public servants to reach positions of power. In other words, we would be organizing a simulation of democracy to have a bye to our pockets with our taxes when we would be ourselves who are pavimentemos the way for most of us abuse. In which our taxes are used to reach places to stay with even more of our taxes.


    That would then be an even bigger fraud, and to be official box is a civic duty without pay, out of the little support they receive food on election day.


    That would be incredibly sad. Because as my work as an election observer in the process of 2009 I had the opportunity to meet many staff participation happy despite the heat in Nuevo Leon. And because the last few months I have known trainers, supervisors, technicians, assistants and members who believe in democracy, believe in people and spend hours in the sun, hours on the streets going from house to house, buying food for staff while losing, waking up early, having trouble at home by the time they devote to their work, neglecting their families and often neglect their own health.


    The cost is also paid another personally. Those working in the IFE, or have any connection with the institute since before this election, and we received comments from others that the IFE is corrupt, sometimes even asking if we are too. The image of the IFE is so bad that he personally started thinking twice before in recent months to tell others that I was a counselor electoral tired of getting that kind of derogatory comments. What should be a reason of pride is growing because of shame.


    But if most of these accusations are wrong, then the electoral institutions must do a better job of communicating why and how what you're doing. Explain and demonstrate by example how the PREP quick count and are reliable despite errors are detected. What you are doing well is not enough that some know it, you have to prove.


    The sum of all this is that I see two probable realities. Or someone conspired to do something terrible to Mexico or the country is experiencing a state of hysteria in which hallucinations happened massive electoral fraud. Which should give you enough work of both the IFE, citizens and psychologists to discover what degree each is true.


    If the reality is that there was a conspiracy to deceive the citizens, I repeat, we must take appropriate action.


    Personally I get upset and I apologize. As electoral adviser should have been more proactive, I should spend more time in the field, I should look for incidents.


    Humility is not a sin. Humility can cause us shame but knowing that something was done wrong by accident or omission have the opportunity to change even if it hurts, even if we admit that we are not people who thought we were. Because it is the only way we will become people who want to be. In the institution we want to be. And at home we want to be.


    I call on every citizen who knows anything that has any bit of truth in your hands or on the tip of the tongue, which it made public. I call any member of the Professional Service of the IFE, counselors, supervisors, trainers or any employee within the institute that has detected the internal irregularities publicly denounce. I plead. I also beg you do everything in their hands to start a sincere process of evaluation of the institute so as not to repeat what is happening.


    I ask the political parties and our elected legislators to do everything possible to implement reforms in the institutions and the electoral law. I also pray that if they are aware of electoral crimes that happened within their own parties to denounce it in public and make every effort to transform their own parties. I believe that anyone who would like to see justice would allow herself to be an accomplice of a party committed electoral crimes. That would report or denounce. Or give up his party by incompatibility of values.


    Do not wait for permission to do the right thing. Give yourself permission yourself.


    I appreciate your time and attention.





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    ^You might wanna run these through google translate before posting as this is an English forum. Don't want this thread getting locked.

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    Apart from this photo lets take a look of what the Argentinians say about the soap opera winner of the Mexican elections

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    why so important the opinion of the argentinians? cuz they have the revolutionary kichner goverment?
    seriously you should be glad the obrador guy hasnt won,I talk from experience,he seems the same thing as chavez and company
    so has the fbi send those seized those 3 millions ballots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical_ulcer View Post
    why so important the opinion of the argentinians? cuz they have the revolutionary kichner goverment?
    seriously you should be glad the obrador guy hasnt won,I talk from experience,he seems the same thing as chavez and company
    so has the fbi send those seized those 3 millions ballots?
    Did I ever say that the argentinans opion matters more than any other report? here lets see what other countrys say
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    Italy: "The Mexican President from the soap operas choses not to combat the narcos".
    France" Back to the perfect dictatorship."
    Germany:"this person has no significant political talent.and with a preparation intellectually weak.
    He obtains and support of the largest television station."

    so I take it that you dont like the kichner goverment? why because they dont like play ball so much with the U.S.? Really comparing him to hugo chavez ? now how did you construct that opion? Over here In mexico they made sure that he resembles the ideas of senor chavez. Just because he is from a leftist party? what the liberal way is the only right way ?

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    can you post any other source than those litle images? like links to those newspapers articles? or you just wait for what the pro obrador leftist webpages show and them repost it here?

    and yeah kichner and company are all like chavez,havent you read a history book or something? wait who I am talking to,you are just another mindless huks that just repeat propaganda and dont think by themself sos ure the only thing you pay attention is those "alternative" media webpages,and will keep mentining them till you are banned due to spamming or something

    "why because they dont like play ball so much with the U.S.?" tipical answer from your kind,next time just say that evil usa eat childrens cuz capitalism is so evilz,is more quicker

    you are a reason why obrador seems worse,so keep spewing the same propaganda,I am used to it

    also what has the fbi sayd about those million of ballots seized? you know the news you linked from that webpage? or has the webpage acknowledge its error? cuz that stuff should render all other info coming from that source as fake,but you wouldnt consider that even if the news was debunked as fake do you?

    tipical mindless husk

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