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    Monreal presented evidence that the PRI triangulated $ 168 million with Monex

    Newspaper La JornadaThursday July 5, 2012, p. 9
    The coordinator of the presidential campaign of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, Ricardo Monreal Avila, criticized the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE) for refusing to open the boxes for total recount and announced that they have evidence that the PRI triangulated , through Monex, 168 million dollars to buy votes.


    After meeting with Lopez Obrador, the candidate's offices in Colonia Roma, showed two contracts for 20 million dollars each, as evidence that the PRI won Importer and Distributor of Efra, SA de CV and Grupo Comercial Inizzio Ltd. to distribute resources through Monex prepaid cards, their representatives at polling. Presume that it was 140 000 persons appearing as employees of both companies.


    He said that exhausted the resources at its disposal and will present their disagreement with the Electoral Tribunal of Judicial Power of the Federation (TEPJF) to amend the flat to the district councils and order new calculation and scrutiny of all boxes.


    We will show that it violated the principles governing the process set out in Article 41 of the Constitution: it violated the law, impartiality, fairness, professionalism and objectivity, and the IFE nothing to lose by opening the 143 000 squares in the country. That would have generated a condition of peace in all constituencies. There was no political will, he said.


    The senator called on the coalition parties and the Progressive Movement in the Movement for National Regeneration that Lopez Obrador left alone now that the legal battle begins.


    Asked to make them get testimonials that prove how the PRI bought the vote, although they have already collected the money. It is important for democracy, there will be no legal consequences, he said.




    We will show that it violated the principles governing the process set out in Article 41 of the Constitution, says Senator Ricardo Monreal Avila, coordinator of the campaign of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, presidential candidate by the coalition ProgresistaFoto Carlos Ramos Movement Mamahua
    Monreal reported that an anonymous them did get a folder full of Monex, which shows that in recent months spent 168 million pesos, having issued more than one hundred thousand prepaid electronic purses.


    We have digitized about 40 bills and documents realize the parallel accounts of the PRI, said.


    In the case of the two contracts that exhibited stressed that appear with the description Corporate Rewards prepaid balance load. Inizzio Commercial Group Inc., appears in Homer Avenue home in 136., Dep. 1004, Polanco and Efra Trading, SA de CV, Calderon de la Barca 78, floor 1, Polanco Chapultepec.


    Monreal said they have a list of dates on which the cards were delivered and to whom they were given. "This is what we should investigate the authority-in this case the Control Unit-IFE, because there is no banking secrecy."


    He said that also present this issue in the appeal for preparing, noting that the president's request TEPJF, José Alejandro Luna Ramos, excuse to intervene if they contest the presidential election, because he already made his vote before knowing what we were going to present when he declared that no one wins on the table so he could not win at the polls.


    He said the judge acted rashly, improper, incorrect, and have a history of having endorsed the choice of (Felipe) Calderon six years ago, when Lopez Obrador denounced electoral fraud against him.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jornada
    La Jornada is one of Mexico City's leading daily newspapers. It was established in 1984 by Carlos Payán Velver. The current editor (directora general) is Carmen Lira Saade. La Jornada has presence in seven states of the Mexican Republic with local editions in Guerrero, Jalisco, Michoacán, Morelos, San Luis Potosí, Puebla and Veracruz (La Jornada de Oriente). It has approximately 287,000 readers in Mexico City,[1] and, according to them, their website has approximately 180,000 daily pageviews.[2] La Jornada caters to center-left stances, criticizing the PAN and PRI administrations, including their economic policies. Its editorials are also sympathetic toward the Zapatista (EZLN) movement and the left-leaning Democratic Revolutionary Party and have supported the recently legalized same-*** civil unions in Mexico City and the legalization of abortion.

    The online version was launched in 1995, with no restrictions on access and a Google-based search that includes the historic archives of the Newspaper. The website is hosted by the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM).

    Noam Chomsky has described La Jornada as "the one independent newspaper in the whole hemisphere."[3]
    guess who belongs in that revolutionary democratic party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical_ulcer View Post
    can you post any other source than those litle images? like links to those newspapers articles? or you just wait for what the pro obrador leftist webpages show and them repost it here?

    and yeah kichner and company are all like chavez,havent you read a history book or something? wait who I am talking to,you are just another mindless huks that just repeat propaganda and dont think by themself sos ure the only thing you pay attention is those "alternative" media webpages,and will keep mentining them till you are banned due to spamming or something

    "why because they dont like play ball so much with the U.S.?" tipical answer from your kind,next time just say that evil usa eat childrens cuz capitalism is so evilz,is more quicker

    you are a reason why obrador seems worse,so keep spewing the same propaganda,I am used to it

    also what has the fbi sayd about those million of ballots seized? you know the news you linked from that webpage? or has the webpage acknowledge its error? cuz that stuff should render all other info coming from that source as fake,but you wouldnt consider that even if the news was debunked as fake do you?

    tipical mindless husk
    Firts I recomend you to read the previous conversations, Becuase your kinda sounding like you said a "mindless husk."
    "next time just say that evil usa eat childrens cuz capitalism is so evilz,is more quicker." Previously I posted that Im not against Capitalism since the whole world is involve in that system; I said that I was aginst monopolies, corruption.

    Rememeber there are always three fingers pointing back at you when your pointing at some one. (mindles husk)
    "coming from that source as fake,but you wouldnt consider that even if the news was debunked as fake do you?"

    I thanked you and west taxican for your information on that report. Which was coming from the outside of Mexico. I also mention that all Media reports should be question.

    are you even paying attention?

    First the pictures in the from page I took one and compare it with the PREP the otheres are from 132 personall who were allow to watch over the booths and take pictures. now the rest you could compare with the PREP on the IFE site. Ill look up the links for the other photos.

    First I have no say on Chavez ive never been to Venenzuela. How ever ive been in the U.S. I have a say there and now im currently in Mexico been here a little over a year. ive been around the country visited: Yucatan, Veracruz, Puebla, Jalisco, Michoacan, Hidalgo, Baja California, Mexico D.F., Oxaca, Chiapas, Guanajuato. Ive talk to some of the people there ive taken a look around. And about that history book thing just to mention Im in my 3 year of social anthropology. Before that I took 3 years of History (U.S., Mexico, and world history clases) - all these clases I took in the U.S.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical_ulcer View Post
    Just a quick insight on all this Mexican political History and the requierement of its people. All parties propose a Populist agenda PRD, PAN, PRI, PT, Nueva alianza, Partido Verde. Also many Mexican reporters have gone to other countrys to report. or have left news stations. Like Carmen aristegui, Gorge Ramos, Ruben lenguas... just of the top of my head. UNAM Is one of the Most Prestigious Universities in Mexico and Latin America. And well like you said to get a brief understanding In MExico, like you mention pick up a history book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoedusTriplex View Post
    Firts I recomend you to read the previous conversations, Becuase your kinda sounding like you said a "mindless husk."
    "next time just say that evil usa eat childrens cuz capitalism is so evilz,is more quicker." Previously I posted that Im not against Capitalism since the whole world is involve in that system; I said that I was aginst monopolies, corruption.

    Rememeber there are always three fingers pointing back at you when your pointing at some one. (mindles husk)
    "coming from that source as fake,but you wouldnt consider that even if the news was debunked as fake do you?"

    I thanked you and west taxican for your information on that report. Which was coming from the outside of Mexico. I also mention that all Media reports should be question.

    are you even paying attention?

    First the pictures in the from page I took one and compare it with the PREP the otheres are from 132 personall who were allow to watch over the booths and take pictures. now the rest you could compare with the PREP on the IFE site. Ill look up the links for the other photos.

    First I have no say on Chavez ive never been to Venenzuela. How ever ive been in the U.S. I have a say there and now im currently in Mexico been here a little over a year. ive been around the country visited: Yucatan, Veracruz, Puebla, Jalisco, Michoacan, Hidalgo, Baja California, Mexico D.F., Oxaca, Chiapas, Guanajuato. Ive talk to some of the people there ive taken a look around. And about that history book thing just to mention Im in my 3 year of social anthropology. Before that I took 3 years of History (U.S., Mexico, and world history clases) - all these clases I took in the U.S.


    coming form the outside of mexico? the note in the said say that news wa smentioned by a menber of el partido del trabajo wich there is a mexican elftist party whit that name so the report came forma mexican,but offcourse there is evne people in that link who say the new was fake byut obviously the site hasnt retired that news cuz is waiting for people like you to repost it just like the piece of propaganda it is

    so that means you just where copy pasting whatever those webpages show whitout verifying anything,thats how propaganda works

    and dont you know how the media worked in the soviet union and how it works in china? pure obedience to the goverment and zero critiques,thats how those leftist media works

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical_ulcer View Post
    coming form the outside of mexico? the note in the said say that news wa smentioned by a menber of el partido del trabajo wich there is a mexican elftist party whit that name so the report came forma mexican,but offcourse there is evne people in that link who say the new was fake byut obviously the site hasnt retired that news cuz is waiting for people like you to repost it just like the piece of propaganda it is

    so that means you just where copy pasting whatever those webpages show whitout verifying anything,thats how propaganda works

    and dont you know how the media worked in the soviet union and how it works in china? pure obedience to the goverment and zero critiques,thats how those leftist media works
    Yeah it was coming from Telesur (out side of Mexico) - yesterday News from Univision reported on this story. And as of now im looking for more links. But I posted the story because I said that In the State that im currently studying at came around 500 ballots with the same folio number.

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    In this picture you can apreciated that the ( X ) is mark under the PRI logo.

    Those webpages? it was circuling in facebook read the article- ( but again your not paying attetion) question all reports did I not say that? And this is one of the few reports from the Media that I posted the rest are pictures that I or friends have taken including the videos.

    Really zero critiques arent you critizing it ? Well In Mexico we do have a big problem with the major TV. stations like Tv azteca/ Televisa. censorship works in Mexico like so: " at the very moment when things are happening nothing is shown in the Media, 10 years later the media will report on how many injustices happend in those years, afterwards will say that we are a very democratic country.

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    Yesterday in the city of Xalapa where im currently stuying at. My friend send me these videos and pictures.


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    http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2012/07/04/politica/014n1pol

    Students will conduct the fifth meeting between universities, will be at the Faculty of Sciences of the UNAM
    YoSoy 132 is bounded by the successful block all access to the IFE
    Newspaper La JornadaWednesday July 4, 2012, p. 14
    Motion # YoSoy132 lock distanced itself dozens of people held yesterday for three hours at all entrances of the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE).


    Carlos Brito, one of the most visible members of # YoSoy132, condemned these incidents and recalled that the idea was to make a "symbolic takeover". He stressed that such acts are not characteristic of the movement's activities.


    The blockade affected many school employees and even the same activities, such as delaying the session which examined complaints of irregularities on election day promoted by the Progressive Movement.


    Yesterday, around 500 supporters of # YoSoy132 and representatives of the town of San Salvador Atenco went to IFE to express their disagreement with the results of the presidential race. From 14 hours demonstrated peacefully and, convinced that during the electoral process there were thousands of cases of vote buying and coercion, sued to analyze the result invalid.


    However, about five o'clock in the afternoon, several men came screaming nobody enters and nobody leaves and you have to raise the level of protest. Formed several hurdles, blocking all entrances and preventing the entry and exit of people. At the insistence of reporters, one of them, about 40 years, only replied: I am Raymundo, a social organization of the state of Mexico and I'm 132.

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    Quote" # YoSoyo132 in Ensenada, Baja California, gives away flowers to riot police of the State Police, one of the most significant events of the March."

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    Quote" # YoSoyo132 in Ensenada, Baja California, gives away flowers to riot police of the State Police, one of the most significant events of the March."
    what this has to do whitt he supposed fraud? there was ballots in the flowers?

    this looks like you are just posting propaganda of that group,so just cut the chase and say you are only here to post propaganda and push theyr agenda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical_ulcer View Post
    what this has to do whitt he supposed fraud? there was ballots in the flowers?

    this looks like you are just posting propaganda of that group,so just cut the chase and say you are only here to post propaganda and push theyr agenda
    Hahaha wow, Im sorry im loosing my patience, did you not read the firts page of what I post. Are you familiar with cause and effect. This is not just the "Yo soy 132 " movement alot of regular citizens with no afiliation with any movement are taking part of the gathering in cities to protest about the corruption In Mexico and now more specifically the corruption in the electeral vote.

    Ill post pictures/ videos later of what happend today in Mexico city and around the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoedusTriplex View Post
    Hahaha wow, Im sorry im loosing my patience, did you not read the firts page of what I post. Are you familiar with cause and effect. This is not just the "Yo soy 132 " movement alot of regular citizens with no afiliation with any movement are taking part of the gathering in cities to protest about the corruption In Mexico and now more specifically the corruption in the electeral vote.

    Ill post pictures/ videos later of what happend today in Mexico city and around the country.
    didnt the recounted votes gave victory to peña nieto? or obrador will keep protesting until he is shown as winner?

    just because the candidate you didnt like won it doesnt mean there was a fraud,in spain the current elected president was hated a lot and he won,and I dont see the rest protesting saying there was fraud

    and from what I read the rest of the party of obrador dont seem so suportive of his claims of fraud,so yes this looks more like a political manouver rather than a legiminate claim of fraud,after all I dont see other candidates claiming fraud too,only this certain one who claimed fraud before but ironically has participated in these elections again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropical_ulcer View Post
    didnt the recounted votes gave victory to peña nieto? or obrador will keep protesting until he is shown as winner?

    just because the candidate you didnt like won it doesnt mean there was a fraud,in spain the current elected president was hated a lot and he won,and I dont see the rest protesting saying there was fraud

    and from what I read the rest of the party of obrador dont seem so suportive of his claims of fraud,so yes this looks more like a political manouver rather than a legiminate claim of fraud,after all I dont see other candidates claiming fraud too,only this certain one who claimed fraud before but ironically has participated in these elections
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    The recount has not concluded yet but it will today. It was to be finish Yesterday but there doing another recount in my city of Jalapa. But Yes the majority of the "recount" has in the Lead EPN the PRI candidate.

    Yes my candidate of choice was from the coalition PRD,PT, MORENA. but this is not about him (AMLO) like the Mexican independence wasen't about just Hidalgo it was about how the gov't didnt represent the people , or the Revolution was about Madero it was about no re-election.today Its about the corruption in the electeral vote about the corruption in general.

    you said"just because the candidate you didnt like won it doesnt mean there was a fraud"
    I say go back for like the first page take a look at the pictures from the electeral vote how the numbers dont match, about the soriana gift cards, about the duplicated ballots, about the ballots saying pro EPN, the burning of ballots, the stilling of ballot boxes, buying votes, intimidating people to not vote for PRD, or PAN, etc. That alone should anule the election.

    Really the party dosent seem so supportive of him? pass me where you read that.
    The PAN also ask and PAN poloticians supported of the "TOTAL" recount of votes.
    Like I said fraud has been happening for years.

    More prove:
    http://aristeguinoticias.com/todos-l...monex-monreal/

    Monreal presented invoices for purchases of 160 million pesos Monex card.
    The documents prove the purchase of more than 100 000 electronic cash in the amount of 160 million pesos. The coordinator of Lopez Obrador's campaign says that these cards were used for vote buying by the PRI.

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    Or PRI'istas who protest because PRI didnt pay them for their votes after they promise their own supporters they would

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