Reply With QuoteIm in a bad mood thats wayOriginally Posted by INAT
Why would I be butt hurt?
If you can't see the irony in your comments I can't help you.
Im in a bad mood thats way
Well, I am sorry you are in a bad mood.I hope that is temporary.
Let me leave you with a quote from Thich Nhat Hanh
When another person makes you suffer, it is because he suffers deeply within himself, and his suffering is spilling over. He does not need punishment; he needs help. That’s the message he is sending.
Sometimes people suffer terminally ... and then the help is obvious.
Had been said here that Muslims are aggressive and manipulable. All people are aggressive in core and also manipulable, we know that all. But Muslims are definitely >the most< manipulable people around the world.
Oh crap that's not aimed at the participants of that little lynch mob party, or is it.
Well, I hope it's true for the cops ! That would means there are at least a few people with common sense in Pakistan...
Last time you heard of Mennonites running amok and killing?
I LOVE this!
RIP to the victim, but can't say I'm surprised.
The other religion that committed regular atrocities was my own, Catholicism. But there was always a practical reason, such as dealing with opponents (Inquisition), seizing land and power (Crusades) etc., because the religion is structured, there's a clearly defined chain of command. Over time, methods were refined and brutality was no longer needed to fulfill political goals.
Islam on the other hand has no guiding figure who will say "we need this and this, we'll get it like this", no realpolitik goal. Madrasas and clerics preach hate and jihad for their own sake. Immigrants hate their new countries just because they are different. This will never change and it is foolish to the extreme to believe Islam will change. You change so you can better accomplish your goals. If there are no goals, there's no reason to change.
Beg to differ hereIslam on the other hand has no guiding figure who will say "we need this and this, we'll get it like this", no realpolitik goal.
Islam has its own logic and real and geopolitik
If you come back to Middle age days, the same events were happeningwithin christianity, mainly catholicism but not only ( a mob raising to kill unbelievers/heretics/jews and muslims/others branch of christianity) yet aside the mob there was indeed political goals in the whole way the religion was conduced
That's the same way here : you have mob related events but this is the tree that hides the forest
Some branches of islam are politicaly pushed around the wrold (Salafism/Wahabism/Deobandism) thanks to our allies (KSA/UAE/Qatar and Pakistan) first and foremost in order to take preeminece over others more moderate branches of islam (sufis mainly) or others religious ways (shiism)
Their struggle against christianity is only secundary (until now) even if, as christians and westerners, may be more concerned about that last point
But when you look at the kill ratios islamists have killed far more muslims than christians these laste 20 years
Well they kill you with all the damn good food...
All you say is true, but it does not dispute my claim. There are still no unified goals, not even in the same branch of Islam. Virtually every cleric and madrasa pulls its own way. And underneath all those factional struggles and political maneuvering among Islamic nations, the fact remains that many, if not most of the factions ultimately want to convert or kill every non-muslim on the planet, not to mention muslims belonging to other branches of the faith.
And most of the muslims don't appeare to be particularily horrified by that.
That's just about the problem. If one scholar came out of hiding to say "Stop this you sin against His will!" another one would show up to assure the crowds that the slaughter of some poor bastard in the name of Allah is perfectly reasonable.
And if he didn't go back to hiding real quick, the other one would have him stoned to death to demonstrate his point.
Practical reasons as in burning witches, murdering atheists and scientists who went against christian doctrine? The only difference between Europe and the Islamic region is that Europe went trough a age of enlightenment.
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