Reply With QuoteI apologise. I edited it out.Originally Posted by EITAN88
Same religion, different denomination.
I'd be careful with using the term "stupid" if I were you... especially since IRN34 has a much more intimate knowledge of the subject than you'll ever have.
I apologise. I edited it out.
Your argument would make sense if Sunnis and Shia could reach an agreement regarding the fundmentals of Islam.
By fundamentals I meant recognising the Oneness of God, recognising that Mohammad PBUH was the final messenger, following his teachings and following the word of the Quran. I doubt any Muslim would disagree to this.
How do you know ?
You do realise that Watan is a Muslim from Afghanistan and I assume a Sunni. (Correct me if I am wrong Watan)
You don't know how it works in Iran, Iranians have been adjusting and editing Islamic rules when the Safavids came in power, in the 16th century. Persians also use their shia faith (which is completely opposite that of the sunni faith) as a mean to distance themself from the Arab culture, this way keeping both their islamic shia faith and ancient Persian faith,culture. This is not admitted in the open by the shia clergymen in Qom in Iran, but its widely known in Iran by the average guy. Infact, i think in the next 200 years even the islamic religion would not have any place inside the country
Look again at what IRN34 was referring to in his post and then tell me that an Iranian wouldn't have much more prospective about the subject.
Watan doesnt need to talk to me about this matter. I am sure i know better about my own country.
Yet look at the topic of this thread or look up the dozens of massacres based on the sectarianism between the two denominations.
I'm Shia.
@Eitan88
That's true, it does happen. But that doesn't make it right.
The question of "right" or "wrong" isn't even a factor for me in this discussion (though I entirely agree that this is wrong). I just point out the fact that there is an immense rift in the Muslim world between these two denominationations.
The fact that the majoriy of Sunnis are Arabs and the Iranians are Shia doesn't help as well (referring to what IRN34 pointed out).
Of course I'm not claiming that every Sunni will murder his Shia neighbour (or vice versa) when a chance presents itself but still the relations between these two denominations are problematic to say the least and it doesn't seem to be getting better but maybe even getting worse.
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Werent you discussing Shia and Sunni relationship ? And BTW being Shia does not mean being Persian.
And IRN34 was referring to that relationship within Iran... so there you go.
No, but being Persian most probably means being Shia.And BTW being Shia does not mean being Persian.
But I was replying to your Good Sir.
I agree.No, but being Persian most probably means being Shia.
My point was only that Watan knows as much about Shia Sunni relationship as IRN34. Maybe you misunderstood.
That being said I agree that there are rifts between the Sunnis and the Shias. But for example look at my country, which has arguably the largest Shia population outside of Iran and also has millions of Sunni Muslims. Both these denominations tend to exist peacefully and there have been no major Shia Sunni riots. The problem is that is Islam these schisms just keep growing. In fact if you look at Pakistani you would see that even the Sunnis are killing fellow Sunnis because they might be a Deobandi or Barelvi or Ahle Hadith or what have you.
Islam has to reform and Muslims have to do it. The Ahmadis are one peaceful sect of Islam but they are treated worse than the Kufr. Their Mirza Ghulam Mohammed had some good ideas to reform Islam but alas it is open season on the Ahmadis nowadays.
We are running in circles here.
Lets just agree IRN34 was mentioning something about his own country and Watan called him stupid for it and I pointed out that it was uncalled for. Watan agreed with me and did the right thing by apologising, so may we move on?
Indeed but IRN43's comment wasn't generally about these two denomination but more about their status in Iran. Again lets move on.I agree.
My point was only that Watan knows as much about Shia Sunni relationship as IRN34. Maybe you misunderstood.
Living in a not predominantly Muslim country may have a pacifying effect on this issue. A brilliant subject for those interested in theology and anthropology.That being said I agree that there are rifts between the Sunnis and the Shias. But for example look at my country, which has arguably the largest Shia population outside of Iran and also has millions of Sunni Muslims. Both these denominations tend to exist peacefully and there have been no major Shia Sunni riots. The problem is that is Islam these schisms just keep growing. In fact if you look at Pakistani you would see that even the Sunnis are killing fellow Sunnis because they might be a Deobandi or Barelvi or Ahle Hadith or what have you.
Well whatever reform happens it will only happen from within... so far it looks like there's some waiting to do.Islam has to reform and Muslims have to do it. The Ahmadis are one peaceful sect of Islam but they are treated worse than the Kufr. Their Mirza Ghulam Mohammed had some good ideas to reform Islam but alas it is open season on the Ahmadis nowadays.
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