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    Quote Originally Posted by Janett Virro View Post
    O I dont think so I believe there will be a WW3 in our life time.
    I hope so. Imagine all those pictures and youtube vids from WWIII. Shiiiiiiit, it's gonna be great.

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    The air force is probably trolling and bringing some MIG-15 fagots
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pregnant Russian View Post
    The air force is probably trolling and bringing some MIG-15 fagots
    <3 <3 <3
    Lol might as well grab some old po-2's, see how the USAF can counter the most effective night bomber in history

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellfish View Post
    I bet dollars to donuts the French show up for this one.
    why them specifically ?

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    They seem to have the dubious honour of showing up and using the time at Red Flag to sniff at all the electronics and such without really taking part.

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    I'll be interested in the Eagle on Flanker action myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janett Virro View Post
    No according to my stats give me a few days or just some time I'll post some interesting facts.
    Don't bother, kosse is one of the most anti-anything Russian members of this forum, just check his post history.
    So save yourself time and effort, in short - don't feed the troll.

    Hopefully they will make another IMAX movie of this Red Flag. Definitely curious what aircraft RuAF will bring to the exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    It will be interesting to see how they run the show with everybody having their systems shut off.
    Everybody will be holding cards back. There'll be surprises none the less......

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRA View Post
    Hopefully they will make another IMAX movie of this Red Flag. Definitely curious what aircraft RuAF will bring to the exercise.
    Indeed, this might be a good opportunity for them to renew worldwide confidence in competetiveness of MiG-29 design with 4 to 4++ fighters. I doubt tho they will bring anything that's not operational (i.e. MiG-35).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxtrot Alpha Whiskey View Post
    They seem to have the dubious honour of showing up and using the time at Red Flag to sniff at all the electronics and such without really taking part.
    Oh, that rumor again?

    Even if true, it is "fair game" IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    why them specifically ?
    This...
    Quote Originally Posted by Foxtrot Alpha Whiskey View Post
    They seem to have the dubious honour of showing up and using the time at Red Flag to sniff at all the electronics and such without really taking part.
    ...when the Indians brought their Sukhoi MKIs with them.

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    So what? Gotta fill the SPECTRA databases with something else than Western Jets for a change...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRA View Post
    Don't bother, kosse is one of the most anti-anything Russian members of this forum, just check his post history.
    So save yourself time and effort, in short - don't feed the troll.

    Hopefully they will make another IMAX movie of this Red Flag. Definitely curious what aircraft RuAF will bring to the exercise.
    What are you talking about, I'll be prooving Kosse wrong, that RUAF will defeat the USAF hands down, as far as the info I have read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosse View Post
    It will be a real eye opener for Russians. The electronics, radars etc. in their planes are at least 20 years behind that of NATO. Clay pigeon shooting to be expected..
    I am not sure why people put so much trust in red flag exercises that are entirely scripted and based on horrendously bad 'assumptions' about what the enemy can and can not do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosse View Post
    It will be a real eye opener for Russians. The electronics, radars etc. in their planes are at least 20 years behind that of NATO. Clay pigeon shooting to be expected..
    The US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to, or at best equal to, the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-35/37, Rafale, and EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration, maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower, radar signature, or range. Although the F-15C and Su-27P series are similar in many categories, the Su-27 can outperform the F-15C at both long and short ranges
    http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/...ghter/f15.html



    Many pundits, such as the Federation of American Scientists, assert that in an individual dogfight, the MiG-29 is potentially better than the F-15 Eagle or F-16 Fighting Falcon. MiG-29s of the German Luftwaffe have demonstrated their advantage in within-visual-range (WVR) engagements during training missions against Western F-14, F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 fighters.[3] The success of the MiG-29 during DACT was partly due to its ability to use its helmet-mounted sight (HMS) to achieve high off-boresight targeting solutions for the Archer SRM. The HMS allowed German pilots to achieve a lock on any target the pilot could see within the missile field of regard, including those almost 45 degrees off boresight.[4] In contrast, the U.S. aircraft were only able to lock onto targets in a narrow window directly in front of the aircraft's nose. However, the USAF and US Navy achieved Initial Operational Capability of the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System and AIM-9X in late 2003.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29



    In long-range encounters, with its superior radar the Su-27 can launch a missile before the F-15C does, so from a purely kinematic standpoint, the Russian fighters outperform the F-15C in the beyond-visual-range fight. The Su-35 phased array radar is superior to the APG-63 Doppler radar in both detection range and tracking capabilities. Additionally, the Su-35 propulsion system increases the aircraft’s maneuverability with thrust vectoring nozzles

    http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/...ghter/f15.html

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