Reply With QuoteReal list should read HOLDER, NEWELL, VOTH, MACALLISTER...
Feds name 4 suspects linked to Operation Fast and Furious
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1110919Authorities made a rare disclosure Monday linked to the botched gun-smuggling investigation known as Operation Fast and Furious, revealing identities and requesting the public's help in capturing four fugitives accused in the shooting death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent 18 months ago.The announcement comes in the wake of pressure from U.S. House Republicans who led a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, criticizing the nation’s top prosecutor for withholding information related to the probe.
“We believe it’s in the best interest of this ongoing investigation to unseal the case at this point in time and to enlist the assistance of the general publics in both Mexico and the United States,” said federal prosecutor Laura Duffy. She said the decision to release the information came independently and would not discuss the recent congressional action against Holder.
Operation Fast and Furious was launched in 2009 to catch trafficking kingpins, but federal agents lost track of about 1,400 of the more than 2,000 weapons - including AK-47s and other high-powered assault rifles.
Some of the guns purchased illegally with the government’s knowledge were later found at crime scenes in Mexico and the U.S.
Real list should read HOLDER, NEWELL, VOTH, MACALLISTER...
I love how they keep calling F&F "botched". Nope, it did exactly what it was intended to do.
And what was that?Originally Posted by Alpheus
Allow gun smugglers to buy large quantities of US firearms and get them into the hands of the drug cartels, to be used as an excuse for tighter gun controls in the US. They can't do that now, but that was the plan.
There was no attempt made at tracing the straw purchases, they knew the guns were getting into Mexico and did not have any method of following them. The Mexicans were not told about it.
There was a previous gunwalking program, I forget the name, but it was successful. The guns had GPS trackers, followed across the border, Mexicans were involved, arrests were made. The ATF knows how to do it properly, they just didn't for F&F.
Well I'm glad you're here to provide us with an accurate and fact filled quote on the inner workings of things at the ATF. So which documents did you read, or what ATF personnel did you speak with to help verify your claims? As all I've seen is a trail of paperwork that makes several high-ranking officials at the DOJ, FBI, DEA, and ATF look like the Keystone Cops. While the idiots that approved this operation should be at a minimum, sh*t canned for being incompetent, and possibly prosecuted for malfeasance, I've yet to see any proof that this was some sort of government conspiracy to take yur gunz. So remove the tinfoil hat, and quit looking for sh*t that isn't there.
If they wanted an 'excuse' to tighten gun laws in the US, couldn't they just use the murder statistics from the US? Why look to Mexico?
Exactly. Pretty roundabout way of trying to take away everyone's guns.
I guess it would be a roundabout way, in order to achieve something like that. But it's just not happening.
The previous gun walking program was know as "Wide Receiver" and was conducted in 2007. These guns were in fact fitted with tracking devices and the program was carried out much more professionally than F&F. It was concluded with a mixed degree of success and was not ran for very long. It proved to be just to hard to track weapons, even with GPS devices.
Your previous statement about running guns into Mexico for the express purpose of undermining US Federal gun laws, however, is correct. No one in the administration is going to admit to that though. That is the whole reason we are going through this indictment process.
Operation Wide Reciever!There was a previous gunwalking program, I forget the name, but it was successful. The guns had GPS trackers, followed across the border, Mexicans were involved, arrests were made. The ATF knows how to do it properly, they just didn't for F&F.
That's the one. My bad, they used RFID chips, not GPS. Short battery life was one of the problems IIRC.
You know, Alpheus has a bit of a point. During this operation numerous articles and CNN pieces were flooding the airwaves blaming American gun laws for the violence in Mexico, and the need to crack down on them. It seems the whole time this was going on F & F was sending arms to the cartels, something Mexican members accused the United States of and we members here laughed at their accusations as asinine.
It does smack of conspiracy.
I remember some media pushing that line of thought, and I'm sure it will return. It immediately felt contrived to me. But, eh.
Is the gun lobby weakening? If not, I wouldn't be too worried. I understand the small/not so small restrictions come along and can roll into something big, but. Just try and take our guns, eh.
Yup, I had arguments with schmucks like Enemy Crab about how you cant just buy M-60 machineguns at walmart or South Korean frag grenades. and which type AK or AR was US sourced, versus what could be Gov contract weapons from South and Central America, and Mexico itself.
Molon Labe
Just try and take our guns, eh.
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