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    Default Crusader gold hoard unearthed

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    Last updated 12:41 16/07/2012


    A 1000-year-old hoard of gold coins has been unearthed at a famous Crusader battleground where Christian and Muslim forces once fought for control of the Holy Land, Israeli archaeologists have reported.

    The treasure was dug up from the ruins of a castle in Arsuf, a strategic stronghold during the religious conflict waged in the 12th and 13th centuries.

    More: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-...oard-unearthed

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    Interesting read, thanks for posting!

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    You're most welcome sir.

    Strategy and Tactics magazine, Nov-Dec 2011 issue included an interesting analysis of the battle mentioned, fought on 7 September 1191.

    Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Arsuf

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    Quote Originally Posted by click View Post
    Interesting read, thanks for posting!
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    another article on the same gold coin hoard, which I heard about this morning from another source, this article on the UK daily mail has maps, photos of coins, photos of the site, etc:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...n-knights.html

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    No golden chalice huh?

    Cool find though.

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    That's a helluva find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNKHO View Post
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    You're quite welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by commanding View Post
    another article on the same gold coin hoard, which I heard about this morning from another source, this article on the UK daily mail has maps, photos of coins, photos of the site, etc:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...n-knights.html
    Many thanks for the post, sir.

    Tangible bit of history.

    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    That's a helluva find.
    I thinks so also.

    Of course, if I were handling the coins, I worry that maybe only 100 of the 108 coins would make it to the museum. Although, I would fight the temptation.
    Last edited by Lt-Col A. Tack; 07-16-2012 at 10:50 AM.

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    Question now is where the gold will go to. The Isreali gov't or the Vatican?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnarok View Post
    Question now is where the gold will go to. The Isreali gov't or the Vatican?
    Legally the find is to remain in Israel as the coins are of Arab manufacture and probably plunder from Mameluk ranks. Why the Vatican?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Legally the find is to remain in Israel as the coins are of Arab manufacture and probably plunder from Mameluk ranks. Why the Vatican?
    Maybe not the Vatican but the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta which should be the successor of the original Hospitallers I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Reader View Post
    Maybe not the Vatican but the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta which should be the successor of the original Hospitallers I think.
    The coins are Fatimid...they are probably plunder, Therefore they remain for half to the inventor of the Treasure (if the invention is not the fruit of an ad hoc archaelogical research. And here it is). Arsuf battle was led by Richard I, not the Hospitallers. While the order might have manned the castle, the relevant authority was in Jaffa (Be that Stupor Mundi or Saint Louis). In all aspects these coins pertain to the Israeli authorities per fructum (in nature), and the Egyptian Museums per littera (in recognition of their origins).

    On a side note.

    Those cannot be payment from any kind of Industry as Gold Dihrams would pretty much start a full fledged riot on any market.
    Instead payment would be made through Quarter Dinars in Bronze of even older Silver minted dinars. So Ransom, Plunder or Theft.
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    Same story, new link:

    Hoard of Crusader Gold Found in Ruins
    Thursday, July 26, 2012


    TAU uncovers unprecedented trove of gold coins in 13th century castle

    A team of researchers from Tel Aviv University has uncovered a hoard of real-life buried treasure at the Crusader castle of Arsur (also known as Apollonia), a stronghold located between the ancient ports of Jaffa and Caesarea, in use from 1241 to its destruction in 1265.

    The hoard, comprised of 108 gold coins, mostly dinars dated to the Fatimid Period (ca. 900 to 1100 AD), was discovered in a pot by a university student.

    The coins bear the names of sultans and blessings, and usually include a date and a mint name that indicates where a coin was struck.

    More: http://www.aftau.org/site/News2?page...ticle&id=17005

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