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    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/a...-on-wrong-door

    Lake County Sheriff's Office deputies shot and killed a man they assumed was an attempted murder suspect on Sunday, but they now know they shot the wrong man.

    In the early morning hours, deputies knocked on 26-year-old Andrew Lee Scott's door without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. Scott answered the door with a gun in his hand.

    "When we knocked on the door, the door opened and the occupant of that apartment was pointing a gun at deputies and that's when we opened fire and killed him," Lt. John Herrell said.

    Deputies thought they were confronting Jonathan Brown, a man accused of attempted murder. Brown was spotted at the Blueberry Hills Apartment complex and his motorcycle was parked across from Andrew Scott's front door.

    "It's just a bizarre set of circumstances. The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said.
    Anyone else here see a problem with their ROE?

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    Rest In Peace, terrible event.

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    Lesson here. Never answer your door in the middle of the night... RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/a...-on-wrong-door

    Anyone else here see a problem with their ROE?
    Hmm...lets see, I knock on your door, and you open it with a gun in your hand, and get shot. I fail to see where the problem is, as most people I know, don't respond to a knock on the door carrying a firearm. It's unfortunate, but I see zero to no issues with their use of force (as law enforcement has Use of Force policies, not ROE).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyd View Post
    Lesson here. Never answer your door in the middle of the night... RIP
    Here's a better idea, don't answer your door with firearm in hand, as the deputies were not kicking his door in, they knocked on it, and waited for him to answer.

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    You have to admit. Any knock on the door in the middle of the night, can't be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyd View Post
    You have to admit. Any knock on the door in the middle of the night, can't be good.
    Yeah because burglars etc have a tendency to knock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    Hmm...lets see, I knock on your door, and you open it with a gun in your hand, and get shot. I fail to see where the problem is, as most people I know, don't respond to a knock on the door carrying a firearm. It's unfortunate, but I see zero to no issues with their use of force (as law enforcement has Use of Force policies, not ROE).
    You don't see what the problem is? The man got shot and killed by the police for doing absolutely nothing illegal assuming the weapon was legal and he was still on his property whilst holding the weapon.
    It seems the use of force is not the issue here, I'd react the same way in the cop's shoes, but the major ****up in preparation and execution.
    a) choosing the wrong house
    b) not announcing yourself as a police officer. That's why police usually yell "Get on the ground, POLICE!" or something similar.

    Somebody should lose his job over this and possibly do prison time/pay the man's relatives some damages.

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    I agree the guy should not have opened the door with a gun in his hand. My problem is with the officers not announcing who they were.

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    Agreed, at 1:30 AM in the morning if you knock on my door, expect to see a gun barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominique View Post
    Here's a better idea, don't answer your door with firearm in hand, as the deputies were not kicking his door in, they knocked on it, and waited for him to answer.
    Here's an even better idea. "KNOCK KNOCK, open up, POLICE"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spezz View Post
    Here's an even better idea. "KNOCK KNOCK, open up, POLICE"
    Stuff like this usually happens when both sides **** up.

    But I agree that it sounds like the police is mostly at fault here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redox View Post
    Yeah because burglars etc have a tendency to knock.
    Yes actually, its a good way to check if someone is home, if someone is act plastered and act asif you went to the wrong door. Move on to another set of homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redox View Post
    Yeah because burglars etc have a tendency to knock.
    They do...........

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    Exactly. That's how a lot of burglars get in.

    Any knock on the door in the middle of the night, and I don't know who it is and no voice command. I'll be at the top of the stairs with an M4 pointed down.

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