Reply With QuoteWe got a bunch of morons in this thread calling it a murder who the hell are you to act as judge and jury!!Originally Posted by Breakfast in Vegas
There is no way in hell I would open the door at 1:30AM unless I absolutely had to. If I did have to, I would first do everything possible to establish who was on the other side before opening it. If it was not a cop and for some reason I had to open the door, yes, I would have a gun in my hand.
We got a bunch of morons in this thread calling it a murder who the hell are you to act as judge and jury!!
We got a bunch of morons in this thread calling it a murder who the hell are you to act as judge and jury!!
Would i be right that your a cop ..
I am normally the first to defend members of LE, but this is just messed up. They knock on the wrong door, at 1:30am in the morning and they are on the defensive because a Law Abiding Member of Society answered the door with a firearm. You best bet that someone comes knocking on my door at that time of the early hours, I'm going to the door with a firearm. There is no reason why anyone should be knocking on my door at that time of the morning and my primary concern is safeguarding my Wife and Kids.Residents said the unannounced knock at the door at 1:30 a.m. may be the reason why the tragedy happened.
I hope they are sued for their negligent behaviour and their disregard for taking someones life for no other reason than coming to his front door with a firearm in hand, considering we still maintain the Right to Bear Arms. They even try and turn it around on the victim......disgraceful.... Shame on anyone that thinks that what the LE did here was OK...........
Dominique, is there such a fine line between the Law Abiding and Criminal Element that you no longer recognise the difference between the two?
It's obvious why the tragedy happened but folks would rather argue about it. If you are gonna knock on someones door at 1:30 am without identifying yourselves as LEO, better knock on the right door.
Last edited by Universals; 07-18-2012 at 02:21 AM.
If I was door knocking a house where I thought a murder suspect lived, I am not sure if I would announce I was police immediately, or he might answer the door with a few rounds through it.
Just a bad situation, personally I dont blame them for shooting him as they thought he was a murder suspect, and **** happens quickly, they saw a gun they reacted and then they got a better understanding of the situation, but even if they knew it wasnt the right bloke he still had a gun and they were most likely somewhat prepared to fight it out based on the profile of the perpetrator. Fate just lined up badly this time. You dont have time to fully grasp alot of situations before having to make quick and decisive responses.
RIP the silly bugger who opened the door holding the gun, not wanting to be rude but he didnt help matters.
The bid deal here, and according to the article is, the cops did not identify themselves, and they need to do that to justify their actions.
Hindsight is great. The details that are present at the very moment when the decision is made is what counts.
Was he pointing the gun at the officers as he opened the door?
Did the officers already have their guns drawn?
I doubt they were standing directly in front of the door.
Did he have his gun at a low ready and then raise it?
What did he do once he opened the door and saw LE uniforms?
So few details yet so much judgement.
What happened to surrounding a house and asking for the person inside to surrender? As a citizen who had weapons pointed at him and had his residence tossed over a "Miss communication" or Wrong identification" I'm getting a little tired of these stories.
This isn't Iraq and the police need to slow the fuck down and take a step back from all the hi speed bullshit.
As for the guy who got shot. Who opens a door with a weapon? What happened to yelling through the door "Who is it?" and peeking through a peep hole or window shades?
Lot's of levels of stupid with this story.
The question is, what would have happened if the homeowner saw (the) armed officers on his lawn and started to shoot first, killing one or more of them. Without announcing that they are police officers, this is becoming a no win situation for everyone.
After the hells angel guy shot the German police officer, he immediately surrendered to the police, as they identified themselves.
There were German police officers praising something like "knock and announce" commonly used in the states, but reading up onto it I couldn't find any information on it that this is a fixed policy.
Nothing about this is high speed. And Im not sure who Miss communication is nor what she has to do with the story.
Regarding the German incident, that still sounds like negligent homicide.
Then the suspect probably would have been shot to hamburger through his door by multiple weapons. As for the rest, that's the risk that comes with the badge.
What I'm getting at is... I think a lot more can be accomplished (And with less bloodshed) by a cop with a Megaphone over guys all geared up ready to re-fight the battle of Fallujah. I know it looks different from your side of the issue but from our side it's just flat out fucking scary at times.
I mean no disrespect to you or the job you do.
But its not always geared up anything. If they are knocking, its not an offensive undertaking. You knock for an infinite number of reasons. But you don't do it in tactical gear ready to take a house full of insurgents.
Lol @ megaphones. Telephones work much better.
I totally used a bad example didn't I? Of course they wouldn't be doing a Fallujah take down if they were knocking. What I'm trying to get at I guess is that from a civilian point of view anyhow, it just seems the police are just very heavily militarized and almost anxious to use the gear at their disposal. And this is coming from me, think of what the average person must think.
Megaphones are bad ass!
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