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Elite Marine Corps units to field new pistols
The Marine Corps’ elite special operations and reconnaissance units will field thousands of new .45-caliber pistols over the next four years, military acquisition officials confirmed Thursday.
The service awarded a $22.5 million contract to Colt Defense for its M1911A1 Rail Guns. The deal was finalized Wednesday night, according to Barb Hamby, a spokeswoman for Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico, Va. Precise details are expected to be released Thursday evening, but there is widespread speculation the order will total some 4,000 firearms.
The pistols will be manufactured at Colt’s plant in West Hartford, Conn., and delivered to the Marine Corps by 2017, Hamby said.
Designated the M45 Close Quarter Battle Pistol by the service, Colt’s Rail Gun takes a tried and true platform used since World War I and outfits it with a rail at the front of the receiver that can be used to mount the flashlights, lasers and infrared devices preferred by today’s special operations forces. While fundamentally unchanged since its inception, the weapon does use the company’s newer series 80 firing system, developed during the 1980s to increase safety by adding a firing pin block that prevents the discharge of a live cartridge if the gun is dropped or banged.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...istols-071912/
It's a purty pistol and all, but a single stack 1911?
.45 ACPOriginally Posted by Laconian
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You can find double stack .45s.
Proper caliber.
Because of the mags they already have in inventory, maybe?
What is the magazine capacity of the 1911?
Isthis gonna turn into one of those ".45 is God" threads? It's a frigging handgun round, an unreliable manstopper, like all handgun rounds. Whatever your shooting with a sidearm you need to be prepared to shoot a lot.
7+1 up the pipe.
Mags are not that expensive and you have to keep a good supply on hand because it's the weakest/least reliable part of the system. If some procurement officer argued to purchase the guy because of mags in the system he should be scourged.
Eight.....
Between 8-11 rounds. Single stacks only mean you have to practice more on quick reloads and carry more mags on you, which isnt really a problem with the vests now a days. Double stacked magazines are heavier, when loaded and due to the heavier mags wen loaded put more strain on the area where the mags are stored in your body. The single stack, for me, is a better fit in my hands and I would believe for all sizes of hands.
If it was just a caliber issue, there are polymers out there that fire.45 ACP, so there must be other factors like price and availability of parts and mags in the inventory.
Also the 1911 designj is just more rugged and can take a lot more punishment that most polymers out there. My Norinco (god lord almiteh, even I thought that was blasphemous) that I use for practice, occassional carry and competition, get brutally treated by me and so far has never failed. Had a squib and fired another round, caused my barrel to bulge in the middle, but the steel frame held it together so it didnt explode in my face.... remedy in the field? sanded down the bulge and continued firing.
So about 8 rounds.. seems quite limited for a back up weapon. But that's just my experience, I am sure that most marine corps special forces are much better marksmen then me, however I would prefere alot more rounds in my back up weapon.
I know the 'Muricans like their Colt but do they have to call it a "rail gun"?
Alright, bad pun.
Exactly.....I'm a HUGE fan of the 1911...HUGE.
But what's wrong with something simple and easy like the Glock 21? 13+1 up the pipe, idiot proof, soldier proof, piece of p!ss to look after long-term in the field....and in these financially challenging times...cheap.
I want something like a Beretta Bearcat, except .22LR something along the line of a 105 HE round. Belt fed too.
I think it has to do with thinking, for a O3 a pistol is not much of anything. A battle rifle is far better. For a LEO, a pistol is everything. Having a pistol for a 03, gives them something to fight with until they can get their hands on a rifle. If a LEO needs a rifle, things went South.
Double stack .45...hate them. I have smaller than average hands and this would be a non starter. Even m9 grips are too big IMO. Single stack .45 lets me shoot more accurately. I may have 1/2 the shots but I will make them count more. 8 is enough for transitions, which is what its for unless you expended 180 rounds of 5.56...
Were I law enforcement I would feel much different as you do, but if I have an m4 or m16a2 with 6x30 round mags, 8 rounds of .45 in a reliable ergonomic package feels just right.
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