A Land Without Guns

[KoTeMoRe]

Slippery slope. Pretty soon we'd have the KoTeMoRes of the world requiring a PhD in firearms in order to own one. Because that wouldn't be infringing or anything.

Do you have a driving licence? Yes...case closed.

[NeedsABetterName]

Do you have a driving licence? Yes...case closed.

Do you read, or just blindly troll? Yes... case closed.

[C.Puffs]

Less so than firearms.

In the US, anybody can buy any car he chooses, provided he has the cash. He can drive it to his heart's content on private property, without insurance, a license, or any type of safety course. The vehicle does not have to meet any local inspection regulations (environmental, safety). Should he choose to drive it on public land, he can easily obtain a license after a very basic safety course. Do you really think this line of argument is a good idea?

Furthermore there's nothing preventing people who don't know how to drive (safely), are drunk, high, looking to kill people, etc. from driving. Underage? Nothing stopping them. Joy riding, wreckless driving, driving without a license? All happens regularly.

[Lugiahua]

Why not have the dealers conduct a basic safety class during the sale? While you're at it, have them demonstrate how to break down the weapon, clean it, and perform basic preventative maintenance. That might actually be beneficial to firearms owners as well as the general public.

I think it's weird that US does not have firearm safety course in public schools...but some of them have mandatory swimming class, driving class, rape prevention lecture and a lot of other fancy stuff.

Consider that firearms is part of US Constitutions, and a person is very likely to encounter firearms some point in the life.
a firearm safety class could only benefit to society.

I would highly recommend incorporate such course or lecture to public schools, could be simply as watching firearm safety video.
but surely some people would claim it's an NRA conspiracy.

[C.Puffs]

Do you have a driving licence? Yes...case closed.

I don't need a license to buy a car. Case closed.

I think it's weird that US does not have firearm safety course in public schools...but some of them have mandatory swimming class, driving class, rape prevention lecture and a lot of other fancy stuff.

Consider that firearms is part of US Constitutions, and a person is very likely to encounter firearms some point in the life.
a firearm safety class could only benefit to society.

I would highly recommend incorporate such course or lecture to public schools, but surely some people would claim it's an NRA conspiracy.

IIRC if you're under a certain age (in Utah anyway) you have to take Hunter's Safety (firearms safety basically). Growing up it seemed to be a rite of passage though I never participated.

[KoTeMoRe]

Less so than firearms.

In the US, anybody can buy any car he chooses, provided he has the cash. He can drive it to his heart's content on private property, without insurance, a license, or any type of safety course. The vehicle does not have to meet any local inspection regulations (environmental, safety). Should he choose to drive it on public land, he can easily obtain a license after a very basic safety course. Do you really think this line of argument is a good idea?

That car cannot roll without Immatriculation/ Registration...anyway that seems to be only effective on the US.

Because here it is A LITTLE more complicated.

C. Puffs, you do not need a licence to buy a car, alright, but you need one to register it...

[Lugiahua]

IIRC if you're under a certain age (in Utah anyway) you have to take Hunter's Safety (firearms safety basically). Growing up it seemed to be a rite of passage though I never participated.

They have a mandatory handgun safety test here in California for buying handgun, but not rifle. and doesn't help the general public who doesn't own firearms.
A similar course in school could help people who don't, or can't own firearms. (who are the majority of population in California)


BTW, "Principles of Personal Protection" does address on counter ambush(that's why I bringing it up), the essay is mostly address on situation awareness and combat mindset
Even if you don't or can't own a weapon (disregard what type of weapon), I still highly recommend this essay.

[Ought Six]

Do you have a driving licence? Yes...case closed.

Driving on public roads is a *privilege*, not a *right*. Case open.

[C.Puffs]

That car cannot roll without Immatriculation/ Registration...

On private property it most certainly can. Also, what's ensuring that only a licensed individual is driving the car regardless of who it's registered to?

[Ought Six]

I think it's weird that US does not have firearm safety course in public schools...but some of them have mandatory swimming class, driving class, rape prevention lecture and a lot of other fancy stuff.

Consider that firearms is part of US Constitutions, and a person is very likely to encounter firearms some point in the life.
a firearm safety class could only benefit to society.

I would highly recommend incorporate such course or lecture to public schools, could be simply as watching firearm safety video.
but surely some people would claim it's an NRA conspiracy.

And that is precisely what happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Eagle

http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/

http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/eddiekey.htm

[KoTeMoRe]

On private property it most certainly can. Also, what's ensuring that only a licensed individual is driving the car regardless of who it's registered to?

... are you aware that the same could be said about guns, right?
Private property...ok please do travel from Boston to Chicago on private property alone. Do any meaningful sort of travel without plates. And then come and tell us how it went.

Ought Six: Public roads...a privilege? Oh god, still stuck on those 18th/19th century turnpikes?

[C.Puffs]

... are you aware that the same could be said about guns, right?
Private property...ok please do travel from Boston to Chicago on private property alone. Do any meaningful sort of travel without plates. And then come and tell us how it went.

Ought Six: Public roads...a privilege? Oh god, still stuck on those 18th/19th century turnpikes?

Driving is not a right. It's pretty simple really.

[Laworkerbee]

^ Score one for Puffs.

Yes, I'm having a Diet Coke and am keeping score.

[KoTeMoRe]

Driving is not a right. It's pretty simple really.

Uhm...OK. Yeah, right. Keep digging. So it is a right erga omnes on private land; but not so on public roads. Which is it, right, not right? This is hilarious. Really.

LAWB: you know you have not thought that, not a dime.

[muck]

One thing that's entirely blinded out here is the incomparability of the Japanese and the American society, and that what works in Japan doesn't automatically have to function in America and vice versa.