Poll: Your view on Gun Control

[BlackFlag]

Being honest and not trolling on this issue which some of you (especially Geezah) know very well.

To own a firearm, a person must be licensed to do, be a member of a registered gun, hunting or sporting club and practice regularly

ALL guns should be registered.

If a person accepts that. They can own whatever the hell they want for all I care. My only restriction on type would be that automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons that are in common use amongst the worlds armed forces, with no distinction between pistol, shotgun, rifle, assault rifle being drawn are only allowed to be stored in a secure location that is not a person's residence. IE Police, Fire, Ambulance stations, local army depot, or armoury at a range.

You want to own a The M134 Minigun go right ahead. But you wont be keeping it under your pillow.

So what happens in a disaster scenario, when criminals decide to loot, and terrorize? Go to the PD and ask pretty please for your firearm to defend yourself?

[NeedsABetterName]

Wouldn't it facilitate the prosecution of illegal straw purchases? When gun number 12345 turns up in the hands of a prohibted person, the police could go chat with the last registered owner.

That can be done with Form 4473 as well, which records the make, model, and serial number of the weapon as well as information on the purchaser (SSN, address, name, DOB, etc.). As can everything Min suggested, with the exception of knowing who owned what type of firearm at the time of the crime (at least, in an easily-searchable manner; I suppose that one could sift through the forms on hand).

Question, Min: I own an AR-15 (one of the weapons used in the Aurora shootings). Hypothetically, ad the Aurora shooter gotten away, should I have been "looked at" immediately after the shooting, based purely upon that ownership?

[Bro Jangles]

That can be done with Form 4473 as well, which records the make, model, and serial number of the weapon as well as information on the purchaser (SSN, address, name, DOB, etc.). As can everything Min suggested, with the exception of knowing who owned what type of firearm at the time of the crime (at least, in an easily-searchable manner; I suppose that one could sift through the forms on hand).

On top of that, when ever i sell a weapon in a private sale, i always create a receipt of sale, document the Weapon type, Serial number, and have both parties sign it, and both parties get a copy. so in the event my old weapon is used in a crime and the police come to me, i can show proof to send the police in the proper direction.

[BlackFlag]

On top of that, when ever i sell a weapon in a private sale, i always create a receipt of sale, document the Weapon type, Serial number, and have both parties sign it, and both parties get a copy. so in the event my old weapon is used in a crime and the police come to me, i can show proof to send the police in the proper direction.

In the one private sale I didn't document it because it was to a family member. However, when I purchased a lower p2p, the seller did what you described above. It not only is responsible, but gives both the seller, and buyer a certain sense professionalism.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Question, Min: I own an AR-15 (one of the weapons used in the Aurora shootings). Hypothetically, ad the Aurora shooter gotten away, should I have been "looked at" immediately after the shooting, based purely upon that ownership?

If the suspect was at large and you were known to own such a weapon then why not?

I've had police come to my door because I own a similar car to what was used in a crime. Police need to investigate the possibilities. 99.9% of the time it's simply a matter "I was drinking beer watching the game officer or trolling neo cons on Mp.Net"

They wouldn't be doing their job would they?

[LineDoggie]

The thing is it seems that non Americans here think there is no restrictions at all and machineguns can be purchased at 7-11's by drooling mental patients and released criminals.IF we (the US legal system) Enforced the laws already on the books, much of this would go away.


NYC has/had a law since Mayor Koch first came into office. It was real simple. Use an Illegal Gun in a Crime you get 1 year in prison, no plea bargain. It hasn't been enforced since Larry Davis who shot 6 cops and Bernie Goetze the subway avenger in the 1980's. I knew people caught with Illegal guns who didnt get 2 weeks from NYC at the end of the DA's plea bargining crimes down. Its already Illegal for a convicted felon to possess a firearm. if instead of plea bargaining that away you force it on them time after time maybe they will get smart enough to not use a gun, or they finally get Life as the losers they are.

[LineDoggie]

If the suspect was at large and you were known to own such a weapon then why not?

I've had police come to my door because I own a similar car to what was used in a crime. Police need to investigate the possibilities. 99.9% of the time it's simply a matter "I was drinking beer watching the game officer or trolling neo cons on Mp.Net"

They wouldn't be doing their job would they?

OK, say I own the same gun and the police know it, but I'm not home. Excuse for them to bash in my doors to search for the firearm and check it?

[Kilgor]

Says who?..............

Dare I question the status quo ,

But for self defence, at semi auto shotgun in the home, and a semi auto out in the field suffice ?


I am 100% pro gun with some reservations.

(such as Tec-9s, Mac 10's etc, and drum mags)

[Cstafford]

We should be able to own whats available to criminals on the black market. No questions asked

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[KillerBD]

This tread is getting better and better. Between the folks that don't understand guns laws, and the ones that aren't even from/in the US and get their misinformation from the main steam media.

Just to add to the idiocy: Even if somehow all the guns on the planet just disappeared, it would only make life more horrific and violent, rampant beatings, stabbings, tortures, sawing, eye-gouging, bone-fracturing, horror, THE HORROR, etc... All because those evil guns are just making us so darn violent...

[DasVivo]

I read Don Burgett book. He is a former 101st trooper. They liberated Eindhoven in Holland and spoke with locals. Locals described as in 1940, a German para dropped nearby, then got up, produced a pistol and herded all civilians back home.
"Hey, why did not you shoot him?" some trooper asked.
"It is forbidden to own a gun here," was a reply.

"What a crazy country, one man with pistol directing the whole town!" Burgett's final thought

I think what the man failed to realise is that the man was the German Wehrmacht personified in their town at the onset of invasion, its like throwing ones hands up in shock that Prisoners in camps couldn't overrun their numerically limited guards, even if you could what you do not think there will be consequences or indeed that there are plenty more of them?

This tread is getting better and better. Between the folks that don't understand guns laws, and the ones that aren't even from/in the US and get their misinformation from the main steam media.

Just to add to the idiocy: Even if somehow all the guns on the planet just disappeared, it would only make life more horrific and violent, rampant beatings, stabbings, tortures, sawing, eye-gouging, bone-fracturing, horror, THE HORROR, etc... All because those evil guns are just making us so darn violent...

I do not think Guns make People violent, but I think violence promotes People to get guns.... The guns seem to be (to my ignorant sense) symptomatic of the problem not the cause.....
That said I think many of the comparisons People have of Firearms to other methods are again still way off the mark, comparing say Rifles/Pistols to making your own explosives is rather a reach (Who robs houses holding People at Explosives point, or holds up a Store with a Bomb, who rushes to build a bomb in a momment of rage etc.... Or my favorite one yet gasses?) The firearm whether we like it or not was developed to provide a relatively simple, easy to carry and use method of attacking others..
Again same as to knives, knives do not allow you to reach out and kill/wound multiple people...

I want to make it clear I have no issue in this matter, Americas laws are first and last for Americans to decide, us foreigners do not get to dictate and I can understand cause for irritation with preachy foreigners, that said I think some are rather eager to shrug off the force multiplication effect and simplicity which comes with a firearm along with its comparative (to say edged weapons) impersonality..

[HK in AK]

I am pro gun and think that people should be able to buy anything if they can afford it. That includes fullauto, rockets, explosives,etc. If you get caught using a firearm in crime, even if no one dies, it is a capital offense pinishable with the death penalty, with the only exception being if the firearm was used in the defense of yourself or another.

[DasVivo]

I am pro gun and think that people should be able to buy anything if they can afford it. That includes fullauto, rockets, explosives,etc. If you get caught using a firearm in crime, even if no one dies, it is a capital offense pinishable with the death penalty, with the only exception being if the firearm was used in the defense of yourself or another.

Might be a bit late for the victims if your MANPAD takes out an Airliner

That said in an ideal world I would not mind to be able to freely play with things safe from the harm of lunatics (there are enough of them already) and just the silly....
(Note I am not attacking you or your view, just calling it slightly into question)

[HK in AK]

yes, i have an extreme view,but back in the day when you could purchase a fully registered full auto m16 for $650 plustax....there were NO illegal use of them. I challenge anybody to come up with an incident where a legally obtained full auto was used in a crime......

[HK in AK]

and there were a lot of guys that owned them and went through messy divorces where i imagine they wished ill will on the soon-to-be exwife......and nothing...