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    Germany's AAA credit rating on 'negative outlook'

    Germany could follow France by having its AAA credit rating downgraded
    Credit ratings agency Moody's has changed its outlook for Germany's AAA credit rating to negative, the first step towards a possible downgrade.
    Moody's said the country was at risk from the increased likelihood of a Greek exit from the euro and the need to provide more support to Spain.
    Concerns are growing that Spain will have to seek a full bailout.
    Spain's short-term borrowing costs rose on Tuesday at a government bond auction.
    Spain paid an interest rate of 3.691% to borrow funds for six months, compared with a rate of 3.237% it was charged one month ago.
    In another sign of investors' wariness of Spain, the yield on its 10-year bonds remained near record-high levels at 7.55%.
    Other countries were also seen as potentially growing more vulnerable.
    The Netherlands and Luxembourg - both AAA rated economies - were also put on negative watch.
    A "negative outlook" posting from Moody's, one of a handful of agencies that assess the creditworthiness of borrowers, reflects a higher risk that the actual rating will be cut at some point in the next two years.
    Earlier this year, Moody's put France and Austria's AAA ratings on negative outlook.
    Moody's said there was an increased chance that Greece could leave the eurozone, which "would set off a chain of financial sector shocks".
    It added that policymakers could only contain these shocks at a very high cost.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18963810

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    Taking up debts to pay the debts of other nations wasn't a good idea to begin with.

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    Isn't this the same guys who rated the entire sub-prime mess as AAA double + GOOD!!! right up until it wasn't?

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    Is there a financial crisis and nobody notices it? People don´t stop buying things. For some reasons they stopped selling federal saving bonds. Economists here?

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    Germany could follow France by having its AAA credit rating downgraded
    Welcome in Hell with us

    Taking up debts to pay the debts of other nations wasn't a good idea to begin with.
    Part of the reason, not the only one
    other reasons : shrinking of exports due to weak economy in Eurozone (export being vital for Germany)
    weak tertiary/service sector
    lack of manpower due to shrinking population (yes a low unemployement can also be a bad sign sometimes)
    regional disparities
    involvment in Greece and Spain banks (before the whole 2008 mess)

    same recipes, same disaster (or sort of) as your neighbourhood

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJvR View Post
    Isn't this the same guys who rated the entire sub-prime mess as AAA double + GOOD!!! right up until it wasn't?
    That's because the books they looked at were cooked.

    It was only a matter of time before Germany's bail out the EU policy would catch up to them. They'll never see a dime of those loans repayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    Welcome in Hell with us
    Tonight, we dine in hell my French friend

    You bring the wine, I bring the schnitzel and the girls are imported from our new Southern European colo...financially challenged neighbors

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    We need to bomb Moody´s for creating world crisis. I say let them burn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    We need to bomb Moody´s for creating world crisis. I say let them burn!
    Their business smell fishy, that I agree, but the truth is that most investment bankers and currency dealers don't take heed of their ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    other reasons : shrinking of exports due to weak economy in Eurozone (export being vital for Germany)
    While the outlook is negative, the exports are on a high. The EZ downturn is in the books for months.
    Combined with the ongoing weakness of the US economy and with the slowdown of the BRICs, it becomes difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    weak tertiary/service sector
    Consumer spending is high

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    lack of manpower due to shrinking population (yes a low unemployement can also be a bad sign sometimes)
    Population is on the rise and wages for high skilled are moderate

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    regional disparities
    For decades. Why should that be a reason?


    Overall the Moodys outlook is a helpful argument to stop further request for more money.

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    Bah, it's just Germany purposefully spooking markets!!!1!

    http://germanywatch.blogspot.de/2011...g-markets.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland_09 View Post
    Bah, it's just Germany purposefully spooking markets!!!1!

    http://germanywatch.blogspot.de/2011...g-markets.html
    Wow. Does this happen to be JustBrowsing's personal blog about Germany? Truely remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland_09 View Post
    Bah, it's just Germany purposefully spooking markets!!!1!

    http://germanywatch.blogspot.de/2011...g-markets.html
    Wtf, La Russophobe now is La Germanophobe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce View Post
    Wow. Does this happen to be JustBrowsing's personal blog about Germany? Truely remarkable.
    The "Analysts" seem to be british.

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    While the outlook is negative, the exports are on a high. The EZ downturn is in the books for months.
    Combined with the ongoing weakness of the US economy and with the slowdown of the BRICs, it becomes difficult.
    You said it the outlook is negative. Moreover the outlook in most of the markets are way more negative too. Clouds are gathering in the sky

    Consumer spending is high
    Not related. Read the fact as no back up sector if things go south with export sector.

    Population is on the rise and wages for high skilled are moderate
    Due to imported skillforce and immigrants.
    And moderate wages for skilled people is not really a good thing as it promotes brain drain/fleeing of the middle class.
    Basically the outlook is that you (like us) are importing not-so-skilled workers but losing a part of your skilled workforce to other countries

    For decades. Why should that be a reason?
    Because they are still in need of infrastructures and economical help even with the money poured in, triggering debts at lander and federal level ?

    PS :disclaimer this is not an attack on Germany but from an international pov you fare less well than what you think (but still way better than some countries in the Eurozone). On the other hand Moody's analysts are not known for their error-proof analyses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland_09 View Post
    Bah, it's just Germany purposefully spooking markets!!!1!

    http://germanywatch.blogspot.de/2011...g-markets.html
    Oh nein zey are on tu us!

    Los los prepare the panzers!



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