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What Mexicans or South Koreans?Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe
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I'm relatively pro Israel. I have no problem with the IDF shooting insurgents and generally deplore the media treating is as the perennial bad guy for having the audacity to stand up for itself. However I disagree with having a minutes silence at this (or any future games) unless they're in Munich or Israel. Simply because there was not a silence had at any Olympics after 1972.
Personally I think there should have been one during the 1976 Olympics, but there was not. Changing that policy now, in a different city, an arbitrary period of time later would be a political decision. The silence wouldn't be because the IOC genuinely wanted to take a moment to honour the murdered athletes. It would be a token gesture to shut up the Israelis and their supporters.
If the Israelis were to host an Olympics, or the Germans were to host it again in Munich, there would be a tangible link to the atrocity, which would be a good moment to put right the original mistake of not allowing them to be properly recognised and I would fully support a memorial to the fallen athletes being part of the ceremony there.
Where?, sorry I can find anything.
The tangibility is there and was always there.........the games change cities and years but they are still the same games.
Of course the games are the games. However, forty years after the even, the decision could easily come across as an arbitrary political decision to please the Israelis. Especially risk given the IOCs aversion to having a minute's silence so far. That's something that would utterly ruin the deserved recognition of the athletes. Which is why in my opinion if there is to be a minutes silence, or other such memorial at an Olympic games, it should happen somewhere with an additional link to the atrocity.
I understand.
But do you smell the smell, right?
My god there's absolutely no link to the Olympics. Those Israeli Olympians murdered during the 1972 Munich Olympics (some in the Olympic village residence) have no tie whatsoever since the murderers werent Olympians themselves it was just random violence. It really amazes me the reasons NOT to give these Murdered athletes one lousy friggen minutes rememberence after 40 years. The UK have rememberence minutes every year but cant spare one for Israelis murdered at the games themselves.
How many other Olympic athletes have been murdered during the games since its re start in 1896?
AFAIK none
When hell freezes over or pigs fly ....
The IOC selecting an Israeli city as an Olympic city is not going to happen.
We've had one every year since 1919, we didn't start it decades after the event. There should have been a minute in the 1976 games for them, and arguably every games since then, but there was not. That is a terrible mistake on the part of the IOC.
never is late to amend a mistake.
There have been athletes that have died during the Olympics (the last not further than in 2010 - Georgian athelete) and they have had a minute of silence on the said venue. In 1972 there was a speech and a mourning, the Israeli delegation chose to move out of the games and a family member died of a heart attack. The hommage for the athletes was paid and the games were suspended for a day. The case is closed. The politization of this affair is not only disingenous, it is only a clear indication that some parties have a different agenda than others.
I think Jerusalem would be great place to hold the Olympics. I mean, its a disputed capital you know
Which appears to be you, in this issue?
And I told you that you'll have to ask them, since I wasn't there and didn't ask them.I said to you (and you did not answered) why the Israeli delegation did not lodged a formal complaint. You know very well why, because either it was hot air and they did not wanted to get burnt for it. Either they found fresh ammunition for their claims against the ICO.
You do realize that a refusal to give a minute due to political reasons is what turned this issue into a political one, instead of a simple respect for murdered atheletes. I don't know where you draw the line in regards to who gets a freaking minute by the IOC, but I'm fairly certain that said line starts with atheletes who were murdered while participating in the olympics and under it's protection and security.What is proper or not within the IOC is clear...and written. What is political? The minute of silence for those atheletes and not for ordinary people that in the past were left behind. Now are those 11 Israelis more important than the 200 or so Mexicans? More important than those South Koreans?
Why is it that hard to understand. Rules for all, no matter how you consier them. What might seem as BS to you, is not when rules are regarded and NO the IOC has no plans to alter them. Why is that SO difficult to understand?
And despite your antics all you've really pointed out, is that apperantly the Israeli expedition to the games, doesn't particularly care about other teams political ploys, as with the Lebanese and Iranians and just focuses on the sport. good job!
So, basically you're saying that it's an injustice, but it's since because it's been going on for 40 years, so why change now?
I'm saying that for the IOC to "randomly" change its policy now, would be misinterpreted as a political decision to make the Israelis shut up about it, rather than because they genuinely wanted to honour the athletes. Which is why I would favour it happening somewhere there is an additional link to the murders, where there would be a clear chance to put the mistake right without controvosy.
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