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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    What has it to do with PUBLIC statements...the fact is that Israelis are making this public. That the athletes would want a screen for any other reason than simply politics. Fact, Americans were absolutely horrendous in 1988 with their Soviet counterparts in Gymnastics openly shouting and willing to work out in the same time schedule while the Soviet ground team was working out, but that remained within the realms of the IOC. Or was that not a political gesture?
    Oh noes! the evil Israelis exposed the political catering of the organizers to those who suffer from Israel phobia, just like how the 2012 logo is not intertwined with the Iranian flag, due to the fact that it's spelling "Zion".

    So, you see, the IOC is no stranger to bowing down to political pressure and in fact, by refusing to give one minute of their time, for 40 years, to athletes who were murdered while participating in the olympic games and under their security, they are again bowing down to political pressure.

    If they do not wish to invoke the wrath of the Arab and Muslim states that will freak out at the mention of civilians who were killed for no reason, other than their nationality, than it's apperantly their prerogative, but it is also the prerogative of those who care, to make them look like hypocritical tools for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinsen View Post
    Did we have a minute of silence at Barcelona '92? Or is 40 years just more magical than 20 years? I'm not much into mourning at all.
    It wasnt done in Barcelona or any other olympic games because its forbidden.

    Simple as that.

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    It did not go as he apparently planned it, but I still liked Bob Costas' comments:

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olymp...mes/56548474/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanks_alot View Post
    Oh noes! the evil Israelis exposed the political catering of the organizers to those who suffer from Israel phobia, just like how the 2012 logo is not intertwined with the Iranian flag, due to the fact that it's spelling "Zion".

    So, you see, the IOC is no stranger to bowing down to political pressure and in fact, by refusing to give one minute of their time, for 40 years, to athletes who were murdered while participating in the olympic games and under their security, they are again bowing down to political pressure.

    If they do not wish to invoke the wrath of the Arab and Muslim states that will freak out at the mention of civilians who were killed for no reason, other than their nationality, than it's apperantly their prerogative, but it is also the prerogative of those who care, to make them look like hypocritical tools for it.
    Keep the trolling high. Gave you explanations. If those Lebanese judokas were a problem, why did not the Israelis lodged a formal complaint like dozens out there, regarding pretty much everything (like a couple of Australian shooters - male and female that are not allowed to sleep together despite being married - while *gays* can).

    But no, the occasion was too good and ironically you prove my point. What political pressure was there? Some Lebanese Judokas wanted privacy from the Israelis (according to the Israeli media) they had it. The Israelis were not escorted out of the compound by blokes in uniform. Again the childish ranting that emerges from this is exactly why there will be NO POLITICAL gestures in Public allowed by the IOC, from the Athletes.

    You subscribe to that good old manicheist worldview. Good for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Keep the trolling high. Gave you explanations. If those Lebanese judokas were a problem, why did not the Israelis lodged a formal complaint like dozens out there, regarding pretty much everything (like a couple of Australian shooters - male and female that are not allowed to sleep together despite being married - while *gays* can).

    But no, the occasion was too good and ironically you prove my point. What political pressure was there? Some Lebanese Judokas wanted privacy from the Israelis (according to the Israeli media) they had it. The Israelis were not escorted out of the compound by blokes in uniform. Again the childish ranting that emerges from this is exactly why there will be NO POLITICAL gestures in Public allowed by the IOC, from the Athletes.

    You subscribe to that good old manicheist worldview. Good for you.
    "Privacy"? One by one the muslim nations are dropping out refusing to compete against Israeli's. If the ceremony occurred, The arab nations including Iran would of been really upset, considering the Palestinians called it "Racist". But as you see, Israel does nothing other than compete like every other country and Lebanon and Iran are already refusing to play against them. Oh and review the picture above if you believe politics are not involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Keep the trolling high. Gave you explanations. If those Lebanese judokas were a problem, why did not the Israelis lodged a formal complaint like dozens out there, regarding pretty much everything
    You'll have to ask them, but I assume that they simply leave out the politics aside, just like they'll compete against anyone, even if he\she comes from a country that it's government foams at it's mouth every week, about how they will wipe out Israel and so on.
    But no, the occasion was too good and ironically you prove my point. What political pressure was there? Some Lebanese Judokas wanted privacy from the Israelis (according to the Israeli media) they had it. The Israelis were not escorted out of the compound by blokes in uniform. Again the childish ranting that emerges from this is exactly why there will be NO POLITICAL gestures in Public allowed by the IOC, from the Athletes.
    Believe it or not, but what seems logical to you in whatever inner classification you've in your head, on what's proper and what's not, may just seem like BS to other people. beyond the fact that I've already given examples of catering to different policital needs, as with the Lebanese and the Iranians with their Zionist logo phobia, what the hell is political about giving a minute to murdered athletes? how does that minute offends Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Jordan and so on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinsen View Post
    Did we have a minute of silence at Barcelona '92? Or is 40 years just more magical than 20 years? I'm not much into mourning at all.
    How many of Your nations athletes were Murdered at the Olympic Games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by K...A..J... View Post
    It might be appropriate to remember victims of war between Russia and Georgia.
    No, what the hell are you talking about

    Quote Originally Posted by hulaku View Post
    What did that have to do with the Olympics ?
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    Nothing

    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    ... so you think the Georgian attack the very day of the opening ceremony was a coincidence?
    Was teh attack conducted in the Olympic village against Olympic athletes?

    Quote Originally Posted by vWarWolfv View Post
    Maybe because the 8 may concern all countries and not just a single terrorist act. Does the English, French, Germans etc remember the 11 september ?
    Its just not a single terrorist act, it was committed in the Olympic village against a Olympic team. Its so hard to get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    I can hardly understand this viewopint. Emotional argument aside, I even find it borderline outrageous. They were killed by terrorists and they are remembered by their Government, families and friends. Popping up the idea 40 years later, is a very specific political point. As such everyother political manifestation is in.
    So a criminal act, a terror act committed in the Olympics against Olympic athletes is just a political point? i dont get what the point of the whole Olympic tradition then?

    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Uurgh...it has nothing to do with intimidation. It has to do with rules. Next we would hear how the IOC will be anti-semitic because turds will pull anemic stunts at each and every occasion with direct links to the Israeli-Palestinian issue. A bit like the UN actually. There are only rules. Strict rules mean equally shutting up for all. Not later than a month ago a freaking campaign to dennounce the Bahraini arsehole in charge and banning him from the games was ruled out by the IOC. I did not heard many of you yap on that, did I?

    As said, if this hurts Israelis and others THAT much, please do boycott.
    As TA said, the Arabs as a whole usually conducts like a morons, as usually EU politicians also do. Like the Judo teams, etc, etc, etc.
    The whole Olympic thing is about traditions. Not that the Olympic committee have nothing to do with politics. The rules are bent, the rules are changed, the rules are political and in this case, they dont want to offend the terror supporters.

    Quote Originally Posted by quinsen View Post
    Did we have a minute of silence at Barcelona '92? Or is 40 years just more magical than 20 years? I'm not much into mourning at all.
    So dont mourn then dude. Why you dont read the thread before posting?

    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Keep the trolling high. Gave you explanations. If those Lebanese judokas were a problem, why did not the Israelis lodged a formal complaint like dozens out there, regarding pretty much everything (like a couple of Australian shooters - male and female that are not allowed to sleep together despite being married - while *gays* can).

    But no, the occasion was too good and ironically you prove my point. What political pressure was there? Some Lebanese Judokas wanted privacy from the Israelis (according to the Israeli media) they had it. The Israelis were not escorted out of the compound by blokes in uniform. Again the childish ranting that emerges from this is exactly why there will be NO POLITICAL gestures in Public allowed by the IOC, from the Athletes.

    You subscribe to that good old manicheist worldview. Good for you.
    The Lebanese didnt wanted a screen because they wanted privacy, they made a political point.

    They do not compete with us. pure politics, and the IOC should ban them because they bring politics into the games.

    Lets Be clear here the crime WAS in the OLYMPIC games and AGAINST the Olympic game, not to regard it in this 40 years ITS A F.UCKING SHAME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyon View Post
    It wasnt done in Barcelona or any other olympic games because its forbidden.

    Simple as that.
    Too bad the Murders werent Forbidden by the IOC, then it would never have happened correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulaku View Post
    What did that have to do with the Olympics ?
    Don't know mate. Try Google

    (You know very well what-where and when happened)

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    Quote Originally Posted by K...A..J... View Post
    Don't know mate. Try Google

    (You know very well what-where and when happened)
    If you bring it here why you dont explain us what the fvck do you mean instead of sending us to google it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanks_alot View Post
    Oh noes! the evil Israelis exposed the political catering of the organizers to those who suffer from Israel phobia, just like how the 2012 logo is not intertwined with the Iranian flag, due to the fact that it's spelling "Zion".

    So, you see, the IOC is no stranger to bowing down to political pressure and in fact, by refusing to give one minute of their time, for 40 years, to athletes who were murdered while participating in the olympic games and under their security, they are again bowing down to political pressure.

    If they do not wish to invoke the wrath of the Arab and Muslim states that will freak out at the mention of civilians who were killed for no reason, other than their nationality, than it's apperantly their prerogative, but it is also the prerogative of those who care, to make them look like hypocritical tools for it.
    Well Said, too many tool bags here dont have the courage to say whats right, they argue anything other than give a Minute to people Murdered under the IOC's watch. What Motivation they have I wonder?

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    On a related note, NBC censored a tribute to the 7/7 London bombing victims to instead air an interview with Phelps. ?
    http://deadspin.com/5929778/heres-th...ant-you-to-see

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanks_alot View Post
    You'll have to ask them, but I assume that they simply leave out the politics aside, just like they'll compete against anyone, even if he\she comes from a country that it's government foams at it's mouth every week, about how they will wipe out Israel and so on.

    Believe it or not, but what seems logical to you in whatever inner classification you've in your head, on what's proper and what's not, may just seem like BS to other people. beyond the fact that I've already given examples of catering to different policital needs, as with the Lebanese and the Iranians with their Zionist logo phobia, what the hell is political about giving a minute to murdered athletes? how does that minute offends Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Jordan and so on?
    The very fact we are having this discussion proves that Israelis tend to politicise and render polemical their views as much as the morons they face. I said to you (and you did not answered) why the Israeli delegation did not lodged a formal complaint. You know very well why, because either it was hot air and they did not wanted to get burnt for it. Either they found fresh ammunition for their claims against the ICO.

    What is proper or not within the IOC is clear...and written. What is political? The minute of silence for those atheletes and not for ordinary people that in the past were left behind. Now are those 11 Israelis more important than the 200 or so Mexicans? More important than those South Koreans?

    Why is it that hard to understand. Rules for all, no matter how you consier them. What might seem as BS to you, is not when rules are regarded and NO the IOC has no plans to alter them. Why is that SO difficult to understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Noah ה View Post
    "Privacy"? One by one the muslim nations are dropping out refusing to compete against Israeli's. If the ceremony occurred, The arab nations including Iran would of been really upset, considering the Palestinians called it "Racist". But as you see, Israel does nothing other than compete like every other country and Lebanon and Iran are already refusing to play against them. Oh and review the picture above if you believe politics are not involved.
    Israel politicizes its views as much as anyone else out there. And besides the Jpost report, coming from the Israeli spokesperson, I have seen no news of this from the IOC or other sources. Which tells me all I need to know. There are rules for everything, Olympic games, Land claims, Status...

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