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    Default The fear of Africanistan in Mali

    The dangers of international intervention in Mali.

    France's new Minister of Foreign Affairs, Laurent Fabius, recently predicted that "there will probably be the use of force" to bring northern Mali back under control while African Union (AU) leaders are increasingly suggesting that intervention might be inevitable. ECOWAS -- the West African community made up of most of Mali's neighbors -- has already drawn up a rough plan for military intervention, which the United States supports, at least in principle. By all appearances, they are waiting for a green light from the Malian government in Bamako and from the United Nations, which both are reluctant to give and which won't likely come during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. It is always hard to know what exactly is going on in a region of the world that generates more rumors and conspiracy theories than the Texas school book depository, but now more than ever false analogies and shallow analyses seem to be driving the debate.
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    About time. That country is falling apart.

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    It seems they are getting the right training

    Afghans, Pakistanis training Islamists in Mali: Niger

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...f4722280ef.431

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulaku View Post
    It seems they are getting the right training

    Afghans, Pakistanis training Islamists in Mali: Niger

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...f4722280ef.431
    I am really on doubt when it comes to Afghans ... they never expanded abroad, at least so far. Anyway, just read another comparison beside Africanistan - another soMALIa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2RHPZ View Post
    I am really on doubt when it comes to Afghans ... they never expanded abroad, at least so far. Anyway, just read another comparison beside Africanistan - another soMALIa.
    They did try to expand into Tadjikistan throughout the early '90s. After being repelled on several occasions, they became contempt with simply exporting their fighters and heroin through Tadjikistan's territory. Afghan mercenaries participated in Bosnia and both Chechen wars.

    With ISAF out, it is very likely that they will resume their incursions into CIS Central Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashko View Post
    They did try to expand into Tadjikistan throughout the early '90s. After being repelled on several occasions, they became contempt with simply exporting their fighters and heroin through Tadjikistan's territory. Afghan mercenaries participated in Bosnia and both Chechen wars.

    With ISAF out, it is very likely that they will resume their incursions into CIS Central Asia.
    Thanks, but still on doubts. Being personally more than three years to Balkan since 1996, I can say that ... I persist on doubts. But anyway, the nationality of those mentors is not important. The fact they are out there makes me feel much less comfortable.

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    ASPEN, Colo. — The Obama administration is considering U.S. intervention to pressure Al Qaeda-inspired militants who have seized territory in the African nation of Mali.

    Michael Sheehan, the Pentagon’s assistant secretary for special operations, was asked Thursday whether the United States would use targeted strikes or special operations troops to help the Malian government fight the militants.

    “All options are being considered” against “a looming threat,” Sheehan said. “There have been no decisions.”

    Speaking at the Aspen Security Forum, a gathering of current and former national security officials, Sheehan said there was deep concern about the militants’ activities in northern Mali, which has fallen out of the control of Mali’s coup-led government in Bamako, the capital.

    “We cannot allow Al Qaeda to sit in ungoverned places,” Sheehan said of northern Mali.
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    Strike sooner than later.. AQ can't have any safehavens.. ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    Strike sooner than later.. AQ can't have any safehavens.. ever!
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    But unfortunately the usual anti-war/terrorist-support-crew will crawl out of their holes and yell "No war for oil" "Western imperialism" again (does Mali even have oil?)

    I wouldn't be surprised to see the occasional drone strike in the region popping up now and then in the near future. You just gotta love drones, wasting bad guys without endangering your own personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulaku View Post
    It seems they are getting the right training

    Afghans, Pakistanis training Islamists in Mali: Niger

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...f4722280ef.431



    Pakistanis.............why is this not a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaran View Post
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    But unfortunately the usual anti-war/terrorist-support-crew will crawl out of their holes and yell "No war for oil" "Western imperialism" again (does Mali even have oil?)
    Afghanistan didn't either, but didn't stop the endless quest of searching for some 'other' reason, which was a oil pipeline (because its gotta be about oil), which even they knew was crap because they dropped it the second they heard Afghanistan is quite rich in certain minerals.


    Pakistanis.............why is this not a surprise.
    They're like the McDonalds of terrorism

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post



    They're like the McDonalds of terrorism



    Seriously. No doubt with some help from the ISI.

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    I have prayed with and hung out with Pakistanis "missionaries" in the 90's in my land , Somaliland . They weren't terrorists neither am I . I don't know who these guys are and I suppose nobody else here does but in Islam we have what is called khuruj. People take a whole year off and go from country to country speaking to other people about the importance of the religion . They go everywhere { all muslim countries} that doesn't make them automatically bad guys .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayub al Somali View Post
    I have prayed with and hung out with Pakistanis "missionaries" in the 90's in my land , Somaliland . They weren't terrorists neither am I . I don't know who these guys are and I suppose nobody else here does but in Islam we have what is called khuruj. People take a whole year off and go from country to country speaking to other people about the importance of the religion . They go everywhere { all muslim countries} that doesn't make them automatically bad guys .
    Sir, concerning Mali situation, are you really serious?

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    Yes sir, all I am trying to say is the story changes all the time on one hand . Reads as follows "Ansar al Din has been reinforced by foreigners"{ insert nationality : Chadians , Somalis,Nigerians,other Tuaregs from Ni,ger, Mauritaneans ,etc..ect .
    What I don't understand on the other hand is why everywhere a terrorist entity is identified , the Afghans or Pakistanis have to be there "training " the locals , as if the locals need them for some reason ? The narrative is always the same , the western forces need to be involved because afghans or pakistanis have been seen in the area . I mean I have my doubts about that narrative , that's all I am saying .

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