Reply With QuoteOf course when China was rumoured to be considering Su-35, the Russian arms salesman was a liar because China wasn't even thinking about evaluating Su-35
It is official, Russians arms salesman admitted China dont rate SU-35 very high
In the latest issue of Kanwa (Kanwa defence Issue 7, 2012), even the nick-named "Russians arms salesman", the guy who called himself Andrei Pinkov admitted that:
1) The whole rumor that China want Russian's Su-35 is sourced from only the Russian side, and even he could not get any confirmation from any of his Chinese sources, let along any official channels.
Actually according to his "Chinese insiders" from SAC, China dont rate very high about Russian's Su-35, and they think Su-35 would not perform much better comparing Chinese operated Su-27/J-11 fleet, which perform poorly in almost every A-to-A military excerisce in China against their CAC-made peers in recent years.
2) In the latest issue of Kanwa defence, Russian side admitted actually Chinese want to export T/R modules for fighter-based AESA radars to Russia, the Chinese side claiming their T/R module perform better, being more compact, lighter-weight and cheaper to built comparing to the T/R modules the Russians used to build their AESA radar.
3)The boss of the Chinese radar-electrionics insistute claim currently, in fighter-based AESA radar and advanced sensors technologies, the only country that enjoy a slight lead over China is the US.
Not necessarily saying all of these are necessily true, but since there are so few "Chinese side" of story being aviailbe here, so I think these news has its own worthness
Of course when China was rumoured to be considering Su-35, the Russian arms salesman was a liar because China wasn't even thinking about evaluating Su-35
I dont think China dare to evaluate Su-35.Originally Posted by twinblade
You know, China show zero interests in Su-35 yet Russians can create rumors after rumors from thin air that China berg russians to sell them the mighty-godly Su-35 and Russians refuse to sell because of the godly techniques and divine power Su-35 have.
Only god can imagine what Russian would say if China really want to evaluate their Su-35 hehehe.
So Andrei Pinkov is "Russians arms salesman"? Just FYI, Andrei Pinkov = Andrei Chang = Zhang Yihong = Editor-in-Chief of this "great" magazine.
His nicknamed as "Russian arms salesman" in China because he, being an ethnic minority in China,flee the country during 1980.
He openly regard Russia as his homeland, get a retarded name, and writing anything related to China in a very biased and distorted way, and love to promote russian arms with every single chances he get to the degree people wonder if he get paid by Russian arms industry or not.
Su-27 is significantly older and unless had modernisation they would be at a disadvantage. The Su-27 that China built ...well they are Chinese built i'm assuming they would be substandard to the SU-27's Russia sold to you long ago. (correwct me if i'm wrong) But how do those Su-30 's hold up ? huh ? Also Zhuk AE had a significant boost from it's initial prototypes. The one with 680 MMICs has apparently a detection range increaser up to 250 Km. Which i'd be hard pressed to believe China would be able to match.
I'm gonna say this is utter bollocks.
As I understand he lives in Canada now and have no connection neither to russian arms sales nor Russia itself. He is just "analyst" with his own online magazine, writing all he want. Why someone even bother to read it?
And please change the title to "Some random dude admitted China don't rate SU-35 very high", I see nothing official here!
Officially speaking, the China's DoD openly denied the rumour that China want Russian Su-35, but you know, for some guys, even that is not enough.
Su-27 and J-11 were poorly performed in A-A air-combat conducted in China:
This news is from PLA daily:
2 J-10 vs 4 Su-27: J-10 won with 4:0.
http://military.people.com.cn/GB/822...6/5233923.html
This news is also from PLA daily:
1 J-10 vs 4 Su-27: J-10 won with 4:0
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2007-0...nt_6740378.htm
This news is written by the airforce military reporter:
J-10 vs Su-27, one-on-one, J-10 won with 10:1
http://news.qq.com/a/20070104/001683_2.htm
6 J-10 vs 6 Su-30, J-10 won with 5:0
The only surviving Su-30 is driven by the best Su-30 pilot, Gao Jing, from PLAN, and his Su-30 escaped very narrowly, he actually using the rest 5 Su-30 as bait to lure J-10 away for his own mission and escape.
This news is also from PLA daily:
http://news.ifeng.com/mil/2/detail_2...110056_0.shtml
And most recently, the CCTV defence channel, reported another military excerises between J-10 and J-11, with J-10 won with 7:1.
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1423045-1-3.html
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_5992734_1.html
You can understand why China dont have alot of confidence in Su-35s etc.
What were the parameters for SU-30 vs J-10 engagment ? And they SU-30's were on a bombing mission from what I take it ?
You can post photos from magazine Kanwa?
Exactly, the su-30 team is set to attack an enemy target whilst the j-10 team is set to defend the target.
The Su-30 team leader, Gao Jing, let all his rest team to engage J-10 in air-combat and lure them away, then sneakly take out the target and escape.
The judge take this as a win for Su-30 team, whilst the J-10 team dispute, citing althrough the target has been taken out, their team shot down 5 Su-30 and nearly take out the only escaped Su-30, without losing a single J-10, so the excresie should count as a draw.But the judge insist the Su-30 team won, basically thats what the news says.
What were the parameters for that engagment is that also known ? Did the J-10 have ground assistence or AWACS ?
Edit
Hmm, i always assumed that SU-30 for the Chines were much closer to the indian ones but they are not. Both aircraft J-10 and chines Su-30 are more evenly matched. Still would like to know what the parameters were as to why the SU-30 ended up getting downed without downing the J-10's.
Cannot find from the news.
Goodguy can take photos from magazine's article? i want to seem it
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