I love it how every test of every nation against a competing aircraft always says that the winratio is 10:1 or 5:1. Seriously every aircraft is better then the rest it seems.
Wow what a stupid thread. Starting from the misleading title and a chinabot level of argumentation. The reports of J-10 domination over Su-27/J-11 are very funny. Now I know level of military press reports in China. (Its generally bad in most countries too anyway) Doesn' this kind of discussion belong somewhere on canwa, sinodefence ???
Its not hard to believe that indigenous fighters can beat downgraded export models. Especcially if the designs are 20 years newer...
Ohh for the love of god...Originally Posted by goodguy
Very interesting... whatever's behind these "evaluations" it seems that relations between China are noticeably cooling down now. That and the row over the Chinese fishermen captured in Russia's territorial waters.
It looks -a bit- as if both sides were already past looking past their current circumstantial alliance in the Syrian crisis, and getting ready to come to grips with their disputed issues.
Yeah right it's crap, the whole world should now buy the J10 and not the competitor aircrafts on the market Su30/Su35.
Just interesting in 98 they fly the first prototype four years later a serial production and still buying the Su30
According to Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation officials the J-10 uses a multi-mode fire-control radar designed in China. The radar has a mechanically scanned planar array antenna and is capable of tracking 10 targets. Of the 10 targets tracked, 2 can be engaged simultaneously with semi-active radar homing missiles or 4 can be engaged with active radar homing missiles.[23]
The radar is believed to be designed by the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (NRIET), designated KLJ-10 and a smaller variant is claimed to be installed on the JF-17 light-weight fighter.[24] Believed to be based on technologies from Russia, Israel or a combination of both, the radar should be comparable to Western fighter radar designs of the 1990s. It may also be replaced by more advanced radars of other origin on export versions of the J-10. The Italian FIAR (now SELEX Galileo) Grifo 2000/16, has been offered to the Pakistan Air Force for installation on the J-10, should the PAF induct the aircraft.[23]We should really stop our production lines and try to get our hands on some J10 probably we can manage to copy some components like the engine...Irbis-E can detect and track up to 30 airborne targets at one time at ranges near 400 kilometers, and attack up to 8. In air-to-surface mode the Irbis-E provides mapping allowing to attack four surface target with precision-guided weapons while scanning the horizon searching for airborne threats that can be engaged using active radar homing missiles.
- Detection range:
- with RCS 3 m2 - 350-400 km,(towards each other, in the area of 100 square degrees)[1]
- the same target up to 150 km (in pursuit of, in the area of 100 square degrees)
- target RCS 0.01m- 90 km
This capability allows the aircraft to engage cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles and might allow it to engage fifth-generation stealth fighter aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35, although at much lower ranges than normal targets. The Irbis-E was clearly designed to support the ramjet RVV-AE-PD/R-77M missile in Beyond Visual Range combat against reduced signature Western fighters like the Block-II F-18 Hornet and Eurofighter Typhoon. [2]
Last edited by Grax; 07-28-2012 at 09:05 AM.
No they will still be allies this is just implications of Chinese website, Russia has different kind of stupid "anti-China" hysteria from certain media outlets and people. The Russia and China territorial disputes are resolved. At least until the West continues its policy towards both countries, I don't see them turning one against other. Syria is not only area where they have a firm position together. So youre overreacting.
Three pages in and I still don't know what this thread is about.
Also, members without avatars, get one.
So after being pointed out that this whole article was a fraud, where is Goodguy to be seen?
I don't doubt the J-10 is a good aircraft, but I do question its capabilities as a whole. China has a tough time reverse engineering an engine, how are they doing in Radar? If they are not interested in Su-35, then what aircraft has similar capabilities as Irbis-E?
And at that, there is very little information regarding about Chinese made radar, only that there is testing of a Chinese AESA radar and the PESA radar they use have came from Russia.
I think it's about someone who is denying a rumor about something, but that turns out to be a rumor too and is also denied.
I have to admit, this was some quality trolling, credentials and all.
As a Chinaman, I feel I must say CHINA STRONG!
So, a Chinese website has fabricated a story about a blog-post from a Chinese ex-pat, who they, for some reason, call "Russian arms salesman", but who is neither Russian, nor an arms salesman, nor has any relation to the Russian arms industry or government, but is just some guy who writes a blog, and this thread gets opened with the title:
Soooooo.....what exactly is official about this?It is official, Russians arms salesman admitted China dont rate SU-35 very high
Does it now seriously warrant a new thread when a blogger (who no one knows), in a made-up chicom blog article, "admits" to something that the Chinese have made up for themself?
Liste, Chicom trolls, we do not know nor care about your personal beefs with other blogger losers, we do not have to be kept updated about your made-up articles and trolling between each other. Get the fkuc out of here.
With the steady progress of J-20's development and the fast approaching first-flight of J-21, the discussion about Su-35 is indeed a little outdated.
The problem is not what is outdated...the problem is the absolutely brilliant attempt at something trollish from goodguy.
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