Boy (16) to pay $7.7 million or be beheaded

[armored_diplomacy]

You're certainly free to devise a better arrangement.

But it´s not done; way worse, it persists.

[Macs.]

Hey You've done some Brilliant thinking there- if you think you can equivocate a ADULT CCW carrier with a teenager carrying an illegal weapon and using it against someone else. You teach you kids to stab people in fights? your parents teach you to stab people in a fight? Somehow I doubt it.

Again no Sympathy for stabby ali muhammed

Why can't I compare these two cases ?

How is a knife automatically a illegal weapon ? In many nations knives or other (even illegal purchased guns for example) weapons are valid tools for self-defense if you consider your life in danger. As far as I know Saudi Arabia is pretty relaxed on knife laws.

And would someone who kills a burgular with a "illegal" gun or knife automatically be a murderer ?

And yeah, if my potential child would be in a fight for life and death I would advise him to use all tools that are available to fight the opponent. Be it a knife or a gun.

The whole point is that such cases are not easily judged.

No one here said to free this guy, it was actually only you who judged this case without any further knowledge other than there was a "fight" and this guy stabbed someone. And all that while knowing that Saudi Arabia hosts a justice system that is creative to say the least.

[SBL]

But it´s not done; way worse, it persists.

Be sure to let the State Department know when you arrive at a solution. They'd love to hear it.

[armored_diplomacy]

Be sure to let the State Department know when you arrive at a solution. They'd love to hear it.

Don´t play ironic with me, I´m not claiming to have the answer.
But pretending that nothing wrong is going on with them just ´cause they sell oil and have a strong lobby is hipocrytical at least, dont you think ?

[Szarko32c]

live's sure expensive in Saudi Arabia... but they might just take this 2.5 million USD and leave boy with 10 years in prison... or just cut off hand.
I'm suprised there is no 'everyone is equal for Allah' rule in Saudi Arabia?! moron stab people and get away with sentence.
Seems saudi medieval way of beheading is far more humanitar than how Al-Qaeda and Mexicans do that.

[armored_diplomacy]

live's sure expensive in Saudi Arabia... but they might just take this 2.5 million USD and leave boy with 10 years in prison... or just cut off hand.
I'm suprised there is no 'everyone is equal for Allah' rule in Saudi Arabia?! moron stab people and get away with sentence.
Seems saudi medieval way of beheading is far more humanitar than how Al-Qaeda and Mexicans do that.

O_o ?

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[SBL]

Don´t play ironic with me, I´m not claiming to have the answer.
But pretending that nothing wrong is going on with them just ´cause they sell oil and have a strong lobby is hipocrytical at least, dont you think ?

What's to be gained by censuring them every time they do something we don't like? Besides make life difficult for everybody, I mean.

[armored_diplomacy]

What's to be gained by censuring them every time they do something we don't like? Besides make life difficult for everybody, I mean.

Hmmm ... interesting point.

Doing the right thing, I guess. Speaking up may not make much, but remaining silent / indifferent will do certainly nothing, or the oposite.

[lotsoffreetime]

That said, a beheading as punishment is just sick, almost as sick as the fact you can actually BUY your way out of it for a sum of money set by the family of the kid to cover their "losses" is.

The sum AFAIK is set by law and not the family but yes, the victim's family was the one who chose money over retaliation (Qisas). The way I see it there is actually more justice here than afforded by western-oriented criminal law that we inherit. You lose a child, whom when they come of age would be an invaluable source of income to the family. Why not give the victim's family the freedom to demand compensation? After all nobody will benefit from another death. The modern criminal law does nothing to compensate the losses which is baffling given that civil law, which provides compensation for lesser slights does sometimes reward millions for a loss of good name!

My girlfriend's sister was raped. She got pregnant and gave birth to a baby. The mental pressure coupled with the dilemma of who should take care of the child almost drove her to insanity. What does the law provides for her? Nothing. Now she'll raise the child alone, without help and without compensation all the while faces social stigma from something she never asked for. Where is justice?

People over here would be quick to say "Oh if we allow people to pay their way out of trouble, then the rich can get away with crime!". That is true, but that is not the point. The option was given to the victim to choose money over retaliation, so it is their right to decide between money and rightful vengeance. People had been criticizing the Hammurabi code for allowing the rich to get away by paying money but remember, how does the poor will benefit from a rich man's death? Money can and does help to heal the wounds, even more so for an impoverished family. It's just the hard truth that we are now not willing to admit. At the end of the day why shouldn't the law focus on restoring what was lost, instead of punishment that will not benefit anyone?

[Hoverhind]

You make some valid points freetime, but the point of punishment is not to benefit the victims but to punish the guilty. Nothing can bring back the dead. I would argue that in the West, the near certainty of punishment regardless of social standing is the deterrence against potential criminals. Compensations for lost value would be more of a matter for settlements.

And as you said, it allows the rich to get away with anything. This was sadly demonstrated by various cases of the rich torturing and killing immigrants for fun with no repercussions. Now, you pointed out that it's up to the victim's family to decide what happens with the killer. While I'm sure it would be harder for them in case the victim was a Saudi and not an enslaved immigrant, those rich enough to pay for murders are powerful enough to pressure the victim's family into choosing compensation over punishment in the first place.

[KontaktTarget]

We advocate for human rights - yet we ally with this nation that clearly violates a whole lot of them. LOL the world is a very funny place.

[shermbodius]

You dont know the details of the Killing either so dont try and lecture me. in the end this teen was carrying a weapon and used it against someone who wasnt armed. Again I dont have to have sympathy for Stabby ali Muhammed or Stabby Joe Bubba. at 13 I knew If I did something Like that I would be a Murderer, but thats how my parents raised me.

LD, you slay me. Hilarious!

[Arfah]

Convert to another religion. Islamic law will no longer apply

[armored_diplomacy]

Convert to another religion. Islamic law will no longer apply

^^
LOLOLOLOLOL !!!!!!!!!!

[Mikhael]

Convert to another religion. Islamic law will no longer apply

If im correct converting from islam is punishable by death?