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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    M1 tank destroyed in Iraq by RPG causing fuel leak and fire that wouldnt go out, not HMG fire that was the infamous "Cohones Eh?".
    That would be another tank. Case I mentioned HMG struck gear and APU in the rear of the turret causing them to catch fire.

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    Did anyone see the news footage from Syria of the Syrian Army T-72 hit by Syrian rebels?

    The tank was still rolling, while it appeared to be on fire on it's right side. While this was happening, a crew member was bailing out of the turret and jumping off the rear of the engine compartment.

    I was wondering what was used to hit the T-72, set it ablaze and cause the crew to bail out while is was on the move?

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    Ive read that white phosphorus shells would set the fuel lines of German tanks on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Thanks man. I wrote a scene in which a captured Panzerfaust + WP grenade = kaboom for a Jagdpanther. Blew it down to the tracks.
    The scene I wrote actually involved an American infantryman climbing onto the enemy tank and dropping a WP grenade inside. 128mm + WP = boom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The scene I wrote actually involved an American infantryman climbing onto the enemy tank and dropping a WP grenade inside. 128mm + WP = boom.
    You went with a Jagdtiger?

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    Jagdpanther had a 88 mm, the Jagdtiger had a 128 mm.

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    Also exploding ammo will take a while, first the propellant charges explode which will burn out the tank but wont crack the shell. After heating up any high explosive grenades it will blow apart some time later!

    Also its not very likely the hatch wont be locked if enemy infantry is around, and these had supporting infantry to avoid something like this happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeiJoa View Post
    Jagdpanther had a 88 mm, the Jagdtiger had a 128 mm.

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    Also exploding ammo will take a while, first the propellant charges explode which will burn out the tank but wont crack the shell. After heating up any high explosive grenades it will blow apart some time later!
    Not many of them either at that

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    Not many of them either at that
    Yep
    No more than 80 Jagdtigers produced during the war

    PS exactly 88 with 8 destroyed on the prod lines by the factory staff
    Last edited by Mordoror; 07-31-2012 at 05:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    Yep
    No more than 80 Jagdtigers produced during the war
    Doesnt Saumur Museum have a few? or was that the Jagdpanther?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Doesnt Saumur Museum have a few? or was that the Jagdpanther?
    Bovington, Aberdeen and Kubinka afaik are the only ones to have one.

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    There is a case of Königstiger that was trying to catch up with Kampfgruppe Peiper after mechanical breakdown. The crew used some back road and when turning into main road they ran straight into American armored column. At pont blank range the first Sherman simply fired the round in the gun, which turned to be WP. The Tiger crew abandoned the vehicle, thinking it was on fire. Tank was captured undamaged.
    I've read also of the Königstiger in the Halbe breakout that was hit with artillery WP shell and abandoned by it's crew. After taking stock of situation they put down the fire with the help of surviving Panzergrenadiers and went back to battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsihoKeke View Post
    There is a case of Königstiger that was trying to catch up with Kampfgruppe Peiper after mechanical breakdown. The crew used some back road and when turning into main road they ran straight into American armored column. At pont blank range the first Sherman simply fired the round in the gun, which turned to be WP. The Tiger crew abandoned the vehicle, thinking it was on fire. Tank was captured undamaged.
    I've read also of the Königstiger in the Halbe breakout that was hit with artillery WP shell and abandoned by it's crew. After taking stock of situation they put down the fire with the help of surviving Panzergrenadiers and went back to battle.
    Read about how Jagdtigers were lost and what becomes very apparent is how far training standards and indeed experience had dropped for many crews by latter war causing mistake after mistake that were easily avoidable

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    The novel I'm working on at the moment is set at the end of WWII in Europe. A platoon or so of Brandenburgers are tasked with taking a scientist from Mittelbau-Dora to Berchtesgaden/Altausee/the myth of an Alpenfestung. Liberated and escaped prisoners of Nordhausen have scattered and given information to both the U.S. Army and Red Army, so a mixed U.S. Army Ranger/OSS/Infantry Armor Task force has been dispatched to run the scientist down. At the same, time, a recon platoon from the 1st Ukrainian Front with an NKVD leader has been sent on the same mission. The bulk of the story takes place after April 20, 1945. In the scene I described earlier, a lone Jagdtiger was waiting in a village south of Nuremberg to ambush the advancing Americans (my TF is tagging along with the 3rd ID). It had a mixed crew of 19 y.o. SS and child HJ. It destroyed a couple of vehicles moving towards the village, then advanced, by itself, towards the Americans. My guys hid in the trees and shot it in the ass with a Panzerfaust. The HJ bailed, but the SS guys refused, so one of the Amis tossed a WP in the back hatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The novel I'm working on at the moment is set at the end of WWII in Europe. A platoon or so of Brandenburgers are tasked with taking a scientist from Mittelbau-Dora to Berchtesgaden/Altausee/the myth of an Alpenfestung. Liberated and escaped prisoners of Nordhausen have scattered and given information to both the U.S. Army and Red Army, so a mixed U.S. Army Ranger/OSS/Infantry Armor Task force has been dispatched to run the scientist down. At the same, time, a recon platoon from the 1st Ukrainian Front with an NKVD leader has been sent on the same mission. The bulk of the story takes place after April 20, 1945. In the scene I described earlier, a lone Jagdtiger was waiting in a village south of Nuremberg to ambush the advancing Americans (my TF is tagging along with the 3rd ID). It had a mixed crew of 19 y.o. SS and child HJ. It destroyed a couple of vehicles moving towards the village, then advanced, by itself, towards the Americans. My guys hid in the trees and shot it in the ass with a Panzerfaust. The HJ bailed, but the SS guys refused, so one of the Amis tossed a WP in the back hatch.
    Sounds like you have a solid foundation for a story! Just fyi not sure about Jagdtiger allocation between Heer/Waffen SS (that said I am not sure how much you care either), someone might be able to say....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasVivo View Post
    Sounds like you have a solid foundation for a story! Just fyi not sure about Jagdtiger allocation between Heer/Waffen SS (that said I am not sure how much you care either), someone might be able to say....
    I could make it a Panther or Tiger as easy as anything else. I chose the Jagdtiger because it's huge and scary. In this instance, for my novel, I wasn't overly concerned with making sure Jagdtigers were operating south if Nuremberg in April/May 1945.

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