UKM 2013P- modernization of Polish UKM-2000

[miroko]

Source and some info: http://translate.google.pl/translate...l%2Fstart-8382

[REMOV]

Ekhm... it is a proposal for the modernisation.

[rhino]

i like the proposed butt, dont think ive seen something like that on any other LMGs of this type

[miroko]

yap didn't mentioned it, btw remov have u got pics in better resolution? those from altair are kinda small

[Kunal Biswas]

Small Arms 5.56 mm. The aim is to bring universal machine gun to the requirements of modern battlefield by improving the functionality and ergonomics

AFAIK, Only Serbian have PKM based 5.56mm version..

With this P-rail attachments polish product may be more attractive..



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Zastava M09 in 5.56mm..

[REMOV]

AFAIK, Only Serbian have PKM based 5.56mm version.

I think you misunderstand the text. The 5,56 mm is the calibre of the MSBS-5,56, mentioned in first sentence, but the UKM-2000 (and its proposal modification a UKM-2013) - is fed by the 7,62 mm x 51 NATO cartridge.

[cahiri0]

AFAIK, Only Serbian have PKM based 5.56mm version..

With this P-rail attachments polish product may be more attractive..

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Zastava M09 in 5.56mm..

"The modernized weapon is called UKM-2013, and its formation involves engineers and designers Modular System Small Arms 5.56 mm" - this is the proper sentence taken from translated article. You mixed end of this, and begging of next sentence.

The UKM-2013F modernization is nice step, but i doubt it will be bought by army. Even if it will happen, order won't be huge.
In article it's mentioned modular universal machine gun to be scheduled to 2015. The question is, do we need home made mg. Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy license for Negev or MG4?

[Kunal Biswas]

Ah, my bad..

[REMOV]

The question is, do we need home made mg. Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy license for Negev or MG4?

Both the Israeli IWI Negev and the German MG4 are light (squad) machine guns in 5,56 mm calibre, not general purpose machine guns in 7,62 mm, with range 1000+ m. The UKM-2015 is a project of the new GPMG, not a LMG. Mix of both machine guns at the squad level do the job, but your plan to replace 7,62 mm x 51 weapon by the weaker 5,56 mm x 45 gun is not very wise.

[cahiri0]

my mistake, was thinking about combination of HK121/MG4 and negev/ng7. Have to stop posting using my smartphone.

[kevlar308]

A good looking weapon, I hope it is procured. I have been waiting to see a tacti-cool PKM for some time now...

Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy license for Negev or MG4?

Or Poland could produce this weapon for the foreign market in competition to the above. German and Israeli weapons are high quality, but very expensive. There could be lots of SE Asian, South American and Middle East contracts in the future and I bet Poland could bring this system in at lower price than HK and IWI.

[jun0]

Remov could u tell me whats this thing by the cheek rest of buttstock(last picture) for? also this pod on stock can be locked on both positions?

[REMOV]

Remov could u tell me whats this thing by the cheek rest of buttstock(last picture) for?

You should be more precise. I guess "this thing" is a latch.

also this pod on stock can be locked on both positions?

The monopod can be locked on both positions: when closed, it creates a grip for your hand, just like in the standard Russian PKM GPMG stock, when open is a simple monopod.

[cahiri0]

A good looking weapon, I hope it is procured. I have been waiting to see a tacti-cool PKM for some time now...
Or Poland could produce this weapon for the foreign market in competition to the above. German and Israeli weapons are high quality, but very expensive. There could be lots of SE Asian, South American and Middle East contracts in the future and I bet Poland could bring this system in at lower price than HK and IWI.

You get me wrong, I'm totally happy there are attempts to modernize weapons for polish army.
I mentioned Negev/NG7, MG4/HK121 as a future system, because in article was info about development of universal mashine gun, a totally new modular system. I'm simply concerned about MSBS and GPMG project because the same team will be responsible of development, and designing two weapons at same time by one team isn't wise. I might not be up to date about MSBS program though, because I'm currently working on my master degree. Also development of new system might be more expensive than procurement of license for weapons I mentioned.

We will see at MSPO in September, if those two projects will be continued simultaneously. Non the less i would love to see both projects successfully completed, and in meantime see those mod for UKM issued at least for deployed soldiers.

[REMOV]

A good looking weapon, I hope it is procured.

The weapon system (consists of 3 version: standard, infantry UKM-2000P, paratrooper UKM-2000D and coaxial UKM-2000C) itself was adopted in 2004 and used by the Polish Army and the Military Police, but in the standard version:



This is modernization pack to the UKM-2000, called UKM-2013.

I have been waiting to see a tacti-cool PKM for some time now.

The UKM-2000 is not quite the Russian PKM but quite similar in appearance, and some parts should be interchangeable. The Polish machine gun is fed by the 7,62 mm x 51 NATO cartridge, not the Russian 7,62 mm x 54R.

Or Poland could produce this weapon for the foreign market in competition to the above. German and Israeli weapons are high quality, but very expensive. There could be lots of SE Asian, South American and Middle East contracts in the future and I bet Poland could bring this system in at lower price than HK and IWI.

I wish the manufacturer - ZMT luck with the newer model, but so far as far as I know the UKM-2000 is used only by the Polish Armed Forces. Unfortunatelly only the coaxial UKM-2000CL is fed - like all Western General Purpose Machine Guns - from left side, the standard UKM-2000P/D/C models are copied the Russian standard i.e. the belt link is handed from right. Which simply means there will be problem with standard NATO mounts and stands.