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Armed Forces of the Philippines soon to replace M16s with government-produced rifle
...chambered in proprietary 7.62mmx37mm cartridge
Designed by Government Arsenal, an agency of the Department of National Defense, the rifles are enhanced versions of the M16 and are scheduled to replace the Vietnam War-era M16 models of the Philippine Army and other security forces for added firepower.
One is a sniper rifle variant, which can take out targets at 1,000 meters. Another is an assault rifle version that fires bullets larger than those used by M16s, packing more punch.
http://www.zamboangatoday.ph/index.p...-industry.html
Do i see rust ?!
Discoloration from sweat?Originally Posted by OXU72
What could possibly the reason for a new cartridge?
What's wrong with the regular cartridge sizes ?
7.62x37mm seems like a strange round to me...
Too large to be a PDW round, and most likely less range than both 5.56 NATO, 5.45R, and 7.62x39.
I would bet that it has less range and stopping power compared to 7.62x39 as well.
Why go with a new cartridge?
Seems to be an expensive way of going about a change.
Report is over simplified. First of all the M-16's we are using are made in the Philippines, except for some donated by the US, they are made by Elisco tools back in the 80's till early 90's. So the heading is a bit redundant. However Elisco tools have gone away and now the Government Arsenal will be the one producing the M-16 rifle for the armed forces. In three variants:
The proposed manufacturing line will produce rifles in the following
three (3) basic configurations:
1. Recon/SOF model:
Barrel: 14.5 inch standard contour barrel with 1:7 RH twist and cut
down for a grenade launcher; flattop upper receiver with a fixed
cartridge case deflector, forward bolt assist, Picatinny rail with mil
standard 1913 STANAG 4694 compliant rail spaces; detachable carry
handle with flip-up front sights; rail and rail adaptor system
(RAS) with mil standard 1913 STANAG 4694 compliant railspaces on the
handguard, provisions for SOPMOD accessories; M4 4-position
telescoping stock, semi & select fire;
This version essentially adheres to the M-4A1 system as used by most
Western and allied Special Operations Forces (SOF).
2. Service Rifle model: 16 inch standard contour barrel with the heavy
end forward of the round A2 handguards and 1:7 RH twist, bayonet lug
and GA muzzle brake; fixed carry handle & A2 sights on
upper receiver with forward bolt assist, standard A2 front sights,
fixed A2 buttstock; provision for grenade launcher; semi and select
fire;
The rifle as described will provide the standard service rifle for the
AFP, and will replace the M-16A1.
3. DMR/SPR model: 18 inch bull free-floated barrel with 1:7
RH twist and standard A2 flash suppressor and folding front and rear
sight; flattop upper receiver with Picatinny rail, fixed A2 or other
buttstocks as may be determined; provisions for bipod; semi and select
fire.
The DMR/SPR will meet the requirement for a 5.56mm rifle to engage
targets up to 800 meters with optics. It represents a continuing
develoment from the 5.56mm Marine Scout Sniper Rifle (MSSR) which was
introduced in 1996 and continues to serve as the primary range sniper
rifle of the Philippine Marine Corps, in addition to the PN Night
Fighting Weapon System (NFWS).
- Government Arsenal Director Jonathan Martir. (@timawa.net/forum)
Why the M-16 variant?
- No need for royalty fees, since the design patent has expired.
- Various studies showing no signoficant changes in other platforms.
- Every tom, **** and harry in the Philippines knows how to operate and maintain one.
As for the 7.62x37mm is only intended for CQB and the Suppressed Night fighting weapon. It does not have enough velocity to match the 7.62mm Nato we all know too well. Why not the wildcat? They tried it and liked it but erm...royalties.
Again, the main rifles will still be 5.56mm while the 7.62x37 is for specialized rifles.
Now that makes sense
Still direct impingement, or short-stroke?
Direct impingement, but they are testing piston systems.
Wot, no flat-top?
This 7.62x37 is a big FAIL.... Philippines rely on foreign military help. In case of conflict with... i.e. China. Your army can be easily cut off from ammo by destroying 1-2 factories (I do not expect you have more in country) and at the same time you cannot use foreign ammo. Why you didn't stick to something popular like 7.62x39 or 7.62x51?
I think JJ made it fairly clear that the 7.62x37 round is for specialised use only.
It's not a replacement but to compliment.
You obviously do not know the Philippines very well, for example, ammo manufacturing as well as the production of the M-16 or AR-10 is a backyard industry in some places. Also cut off from supplies? Even the Japanese couldnt do that in WW2 since we are an archipelago. Unless you have enough ships to blockade 7107 islands... good luck in that blockade.
And we use a popular round which is 5.56.
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