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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    You realize that they destroyed Gingrich with sh*t tons of money and carpet bombed him with negative ads right? Nothing more admirable about them than any other campaign....

    I think Romney will be an okay president. But I think you're onto something here - it is hard for Romney to attack Obama on the issues because frankly - Romney and Obama's major differences on substantive issues are slim.

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    Look, I think he's well educated, fiscally savvy, about as charismatic as a yellow squash, aloof, privileged, and very willing to say whatever anyone wants to hear to win this election. I mean even more than normal whore politicians. What is the name of that camp redwoods kinda place in California where all of the super rich Koch brother types get together and dance naked around campfires while planning how to better rule the world? Shocker used to post articles about it...Pretty sure Mitt is a big hit with those cats.

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    I believe that, with the crappy economy and all of the accounting tricks at his disposal, it is quite plausible that Mr. Romney paid a ridiculously low percentage in taxes the last few years. 'Course, we can only speculate until he coughs up his birth certific..... err, tax returns.

    Here's how Mitt Romney might have paid no taxes

    . . . . If Romney has paid taxes, as he insists, he could clear up the whole controversy by simply releasing several years' worth of tax returns, beyond the 2010 return and the 2011 estimate he's already released. But he has refused, and there may be good reason for that. "I wouldn't be surprised if he paid nearly zero taxes in 2008 and 2009," says Brad Badertscher, an accounting professor at the University of Notre Dame. "It's going to look bad no matter what he does."

    Theories about Romney's tax strategy tend to focus on offshore investment vehicles and secretive accounts, but basic investing and accounting scenarios could easily explain a low tax bill. The clue comes in Schedule D of his 2010 return, in which he claimed a $4.8 million loss carried over from prior years. That helped reduce his tax bill for 2010, in which he paid $3 million in taxes on $21.7 million of income, for an effective tax rate of 13.9 percent.

    The carryover means that Romney probably claimed a much bigger loss a year or two earlier, which could easily have pushed his tax rate for 2008 or 2009 down to the low single digits.


    . . . .During bad years, wealthy investors often use a legal strategy called "tax harvesting" in which they sell weak investments at a loss, which they can use to offset the tax they'd need to pay on gains from better-performing investments. The loss can be carried forward, to help lower the tax bill in later years when investments might have done better. "It's very common for sophisticated investors," says Badertscher.

    . . . .About half of Romney's income in 2010 came from capital gains. If that were zeroed out in 2008, say, on account of the crumbling economy, it could have cut his income for that year to $10 million or less, with a huge deduction for a capital loss. Combined with the same sorts of charitable donations and other deductions he claimed in 2010, that could have pushed his tax burden close to zero. If Romney's losses were big enough in 2008, he could have carried a portion of the loss forward into 2009, helping lower his taxes then, too. The fact that the loss carryover appeared on his 2010 return suggests that may well have happened.

    . . . . a typical worker earning $50,000 faces a maximum tax rate of 25 percent, so Romney's tax rate could have been a fraction of what most middle-class earners pay. Nor do most workers employ complex strategies to whittle their tax rate down to single digits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yves Adele Harlow View Post
    I believe that, with the crappy economy and all of the accounting tricks at his disposal, it is quite plausible that Mr. Romney paid a ridiculously low percentage in taxes the last few years. 'Course, we can only speculate until he coughs up his birth certific..... err, tax returns.

    Here's how Mitt Romney might have paid no taxes
    Perhaps he could come up with a similar scheme to not pay any debt to China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sootan View Post
    Perhaps he could come up with a similar scheme to not pay any debt to China?

    Somehow I doubt they'd be as forgiving or as flexible as our US tax code.

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    IRS would be on his ass if he hadnt paid Taxes and the press knows it. The Press would have found out in 2008 as that within the 10 year timeframe. its the typical lying bull**** the dems pull since Obama cant run on his record truthfully.

    This is Just Harry Reid saying this on the senate floor shilling for Obama because Harry is Indemnified for libel while on the senate floor. Obama cant run on his economic record with 12 Million unemployed so has to send his flying monkeys out to claim Romney murdered a steel workers wife, that Romney pays no taxes, that Romney eats christian babies, oh look Chick Fil A outrage from the Left yet still none that Holders ATF got US and Mexican LEOs Murdered.

    Anything to deflect from Obamas record. Oh lets call Romney a Birther next, yeah that will work, yeah thats the ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    IRS would be on his ass if he hadnt paid Taxes and the press knows it.
    Come on LD - that's a bit misleading, isn't it?

    Where/when did Harry Reid say that Romney cheated on his taxes or did something illegal? Did GE do anything illegal when they paid no US tax?
    There may have been no reason for the IRS to be on his ass... and you know it

    But it sure is distasteful to us little people. And it would be a killer for Romney's campaign if it came to light that one of the rich elite paid little to no tax while the rest of us are paying two or four times what he does. Especially one running for president.

    As my link illustrates, it is quite possible Romney paid in the low single digits percentage-wise in the last decade. Maybe less.
    Unlike his father, he seems to be hiding something. What he is hiding might not be illegal, but it sure must be embarrassing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yves Adele Harlow View Post
    Come on LD - that's a bit misleading, isn't it?

    Where/when did Harry Reid say that Romney cheated on his taxes or did something illegal? Did GE do anything illegal when they paid no US tax?
    There may have been no reason for the IRS to be on his ass... and you know it

    But it sure is distasteful to us little people. And it would be a killer for Romney's campaign if it came to light that one of the rich elite paid little to no tax while the rest of us are paying two or four times what he does. Especially one running for president.

    As my link illustrates, it is quite possible Romney paid in the low single digits percentage-wise in the last decade. Maybe less.
    Unlike his father, he seems to be hiding something. What he is hiding might not be illegal, but it sure must be embarrassing....
    That is actually a fair point. I would still say, however, the burden of proof is on Reid, not Romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    That is actually a fair point. I would still say, however, the burden of proof is on Reid, not Romney.
    Unfortunately, as the whole birther thing proved, that has been flipped around and it is now on the shoulders of the accused to prove their innocence.

    I wouldn't mind if Reid ponied up his source - trouble is, there is no way to prove anything without the actual tax records. It is quite plausible to me that somebody at Bain who was close to Romney and both knew of his finances and knew the common "tricks of the trade" to protect that wealth could make an accurate statement as to what Romney may have paid.
    Hell, Reid's source may have done the same things to protect their wealth. But, we'll never know unless Romney releases his private records.
    And then, much like Obama's birth certificate, there will still be doubters....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yves Adele Harlow View Post
    Come on LD - that's a bit misleading, isn't it?

    Where/when did Harry Reid say that Romney cheated on his taxes or did something illegal? Did GE do anything illegal when they paid no US tax?
    There may have been no reason for the IRS to be on his ass... and you know it

    But it sure is distasteful to us little people. And it would be a killer for Romney's campaign if it came to light that one of the rich elite paid little to no tax while the rest of us are paying two or four times what he does. Especially one running for president.

    As my link illustrates, it is quite possible Romney paid in the low single digits percentage-wise in the last decade. Maybe less.
    Unlike his father, he seems to be hiding something. What he is hiding might not be illegal, but it sure must be embarrassing....
    I see what you are saying. I will add, that im so sick of this somehow being an urgent issue that it wouldn't bother me a single bit if he found a way to pay less than us. Just another reason to revamp the tax code. I could technically no taxes as well if I donated money or found a way through the tax code - legally.

    What if Romney donated enough money to some charity to pay "no taxes" or use it as a tax write off? Would people still be raged?

    I'm at the point where I wouldn't care if he didn't pay taxes for 30 years legally/illegally. I'm tired of the hypocrisy of those demanding tax returns when Reid/Wasserman and the rest haven't done it or attempted to make the info public. Sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlintHillBilly View Post
    What if Romney donated enough money to some charity to pay "no taxes" or use it as a tax write off? Would people still be raged?
    He's a politician - if that were the case, he'd be trumpeting it far and wide!

    But, I do agree that all politicians feeding at the public trough should have much more transparency with their finances. It is disgusting to look at how the net worth of some of these people (on both sides of the aisle) skyrockets after being elected.

    But that is a bit different than the topic at hand.
    To me, it is just as frivolous as the birther thing - but it does play well in the court of public opinion and that transfers to votes.
    That said, I am scraping by and the last thing I want to hear about is another of the wealthy elite gaming the system while I have to worry about coming up with $150 to get my tooth repaired.....

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    Hairy ass Reid needs to kick the bath salts and let his diminished brain breath. He is a disgrace to Nevada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yves Adele Harlow View Post
    Come on LD - that's a bit misleading, isn't it?

    Where/when did Harry Reid say that Romney cheated on his taxes or did something illegal? Did GE do anything illegal when they paid no US tax?
    There may have been no reason for the IRS to be on his ass... and you know it

    But it sure is distasteful to us little people. And it would be a killer for Romney's campaign if it came to light that one of the rich elite paid little to no tax while the rest of us are paying two or four times what he does. Especially one running for president.

    As my link illustrates, it is quite possible Romney paid in the low single digits percentage-wise in the last decade. Maybe less.
    Unlike his father, he seems to be hiding something. What he is hiding might not be illegal, but it sure must be embarrassing....
    He's hiding nothing, he's done nothing Illegal this is Obama not able to run on his record of accomplishments and doing his usual Chicago technique of Character assassination.
    in 2008 Obama demanded that McCain needed to release all his medical records, McCain did, Obama released a one page sheet.
    in 2008 Obama demanded McCain release a list of his small Donors, McCain did, Obama reneged
    in 2008 Obama demanded McCain use Fed Matching funds and its restrictions, then reneged for his campaign
    Obama Campaign made innuendo that McCains health was failing, that he wasnt a Hero (Wes Clark), That his mind was failing, that he was Racist....

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    Why doesn't Romney just follow Timothy Geithner's lead? Worked for him.

    Obama aides said they didn't think these issues would present a problem, given what they characterized as the minor nature of the infractions and the gravity of the role Mr. Geithner has been nominated to take. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123187503629378119.html
    I think the official WH reaction to Geithner not paying his taxes was " ...meh"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    He's hiding nothing, he's done nothing Illegal this is Obama not able to run on his record of accomplishments and doing his usual Chicago technique of Character assassination.
    in 2008 Obama demanded that McCain needed to release all his medical records, McCain did, Obama released a one page sheet.
    in 2008 Obama demanded McCain release a list of his small Donors, McCain did, Obama reneged
    in 2008 Obama demanded McCain use Fed Matching funds and its restrictions, then reneged for his campaign
    Obama Campaign made innuendo that McCains health was failing, that he wasnt a Hero (Wes Clark), That his mind was failing, that he was Racist....
    Hey hey hey. MSM says you're racist and you're the creepy white guy down the block who I should report. These facts don't represent the truth-o-machine.

    Actually, what you've said is what alot of people have forgotten or nonchalantly brushed over. The wacky side thought the other wacky side was silly for even bringing up these issues. How much we have forgotten from 2008. (Insert disbelief smiley).

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