U.s. Athletes owe irs $8,986 per gold medal...!!!!

[KoTeMoRe]

Once again you're throwing your hissy fit at the wrong person. It up to you to tell the IOC and NCAA that they are wrong and you are right. If and when you do that let me know what they say.

You just don't have a clue, your Al Davis "sarcasm" (I guess you finally looked that up) shows you don't know what your talking about. The Combloc countries had state funded programs on PED's. Their have been individuals who have used PED's outside the Combloc but as individuals not as part of some state funded program. Its been a running gag for decades how the East German female swim looked very "manly". Combloc athletes for all intentional purposes were govt employees. The state paid for everything.

Oh as for your swimmers Duke and Johnny Weissmuller. Duke who Duke Kahanamoku of the 1912 and 1920 US Olympic swim teams? So he was a lifeguard the IOC didn't have a problem with him competing why do you? As for Weissmuller so he lied about his birthplace. Did the US government order him to do it? Prove it. Only he and his coach William Bachrach apparently knew about it. Did the IOC know about at the time? Prove it. There wasn't any state sponsored cheating there like the state sponsored PED's programs and athletic programs of the Combloc countries.

You want to talk about cheating look up the 1972 Summer Olympic basketball finals and see how the USSR and Olympic games officials got together to decide the winner.

What I have been talking about is on a national state sponsored level you talk of individuals. Yes individuals will cheat that's why there are rules in place. I've been talking about how rules have been broken by nations to advance their politics of" we are the best" and have corrupted some of those who are supposed to enforce the rules. i.e. th ebribery scandal with the IOC on city selection.

Pierre de Coubertin also stated that female athletic's were bad for male athletics and shouldn't be allowed in the Olympics. He also believed that the games would promote peace not "mines bigger that yours" like Nazi Germany was doing advancing the "superior Aryan race" and what the Combloc's were doing to show the world that communism/socialism was better than the "corrupt decadent captialism". Coubertin believed in the ideal that amateur not professional athletes compete. As an amateur the athlete may come from nation A but represents himself not the government of nation A.

Your problem is that everything you state is your opinion and your's alone.

There was not a single Commbloc *full-state* funded program of doping. There were clubs who did that and were covered, just like US athletes were doped and were covered. Again you are on the wrong side of the Iron curtain to understand. There have not been individuals...it is a well versed system and pretty much every one does it to an extent. Johnny Weissmuller lied about his birthplace to obtain a US passport and the US could not verify that? Please...

Cheating...haha. There are enough evidence on the 1972 fiasco from the IOC and yet nothing goes on to say the USSR cheated. However as I said, there is enough evidence to point that the College system in the USA is just a professional system in disguise. And has been since forever.

Individuals do not cheat out of blue...especially when you have whole labs working for them.

As for politics, given how the US is dominating the Olympics since pretty much day 1...I guess it is a big deal for them and given how the US was threatening to boycott the 1936 games, I guess the games had already been political. And gave you examples.

As for the athletes going there individually? Is that not absolutely irrelevant to say that while athletes march behind their national colours, hum their national anthem when winning and until 2008 their names WERE NOT on the race ID (unless team sports). So individuals you say? Well try to find the occupation of some athletes...there are many who are soldiers, policemen and guess what...they are not Russian or Belorussian or ex-Soviet.

Coubertin was a man of his time with his imperfections and they showed during the games. As for your bigger than mine, already said, it was part of it since the beggining. Commbloc athletes were what? Government employees?

You have no clue about what you are talking about.

[American Caesar]

The East German's headed by Manfred Ewald and the Stasi were giving their athletes steroids and hormones in the 1970's they were recruiting females as young as 12 for their swim team and without their knowledge were given roids and male hormones and a version of testosterone. All this was confirmed when Stasi documents were revealed in to 1990's and in 2010 Michael Kalinski a former top Soviet sports scientist started to reveal the state sponsored doping program for the former USSR.

I guess you forgot about this little quote about state sponsored Combloc PED programs. All the data that was compiled by the Combloc led to the sports labs of today. And Combloc sports clubs were state funded so yeah Combloc athletes worked for the state. You need to show proof of the so called US state sponsored PED program. Good luck.

We're talking about the Olympics here not what you think of the NCAA basketball program and for the 1,467 time you need take that issue up with the NCAA and the IOC because according to THEM YOU ARE WRONG.

The US dominating from day one? The 1896 Olympics medal count 1st through 3rd Greece 46, US 20, Germany 13.
1900 Olympics medal count France 101, US 47, Great Britain 30. 1904 Olympics in St Louis US 239 Ger 13 Cuba 9. 1908 Olympics Great Britain 146, US 47, Sweden 25. I can go on but the early trend in the Olympics is that the host nation leads the medal count and the US hosted the 1904 games.

Where's your proof the the US knew Weismuller lied? There was just a report that South African gold medal winner Cameron van der Burgh admitted he took extra underwater kicks to win. The underwater camera showed it but the officials didn't catch it. With 21st century tech an athlete cheated and got away with it and you think that the US govt knew Weissmuller lied back in the 1920's?

The Spain and the Soviet Union boycotted the 1936 Olympics the US thought about it but didn't and there was much debate outside Nazi Germany about weather or not the games should even be held because of what Hitler was doing.

So now what hissy fit are you going to throw now? Steroids in soap box racing.

[Zorro C9]

You're both knobends, I hope you guys realise that.

[American Caesar]

You're both knobends, I hope you guys realise that.

If you don't like it then stay out of the GD thread.

[KoTeMoRe]

You're both knobends, I hope you guys realise that.

Don´t you have some cougar to stress test or is it only an amateur thing too?


The USSR had no NOC in 1936. The USSR NOC was voted in by the IOC after WW2. Spain was in the middle of a civil war, your ignorance is impregnable.
Weissmuller held a US passport, while no one could verify his DoB and PoB? Weismuller was Austro-Hungarian as such he could not participate. Who said there was a US state sponsored PED program? As said before the US way is privately. However US athletes caught with similar substances while not training together shows the issue of sustained and programmed doping is a real and serious one.

As for the PED and Commbloc, the issue is that you still do not understand the structure of Soviet sport societies, there could not be a specific program to dope them all as there were different clubs and VSS´s that were competing primarily towards eachother.

As for the East Germans and other such sensationalist bollocks... (300 destroyed athletes for each champion) those were primarily the work of a handful of clubs - Dynamo being one of them.

After 1908 the US would go on to dominate EACH and every Olympics (bar 1936 which a number of US athletes boycotted after the US NOC called for it). After 1952 (first entry of the USSR NOC in the Olympics the US would be thrown in a tango with the USSR). During those years the US would go on to ammass 2000+ medals most than ANY OTHER NATION...

A sport club funded by the state, means the coaches and personnel were state workers, not the athletes. You seem to have terrible issues with understanding. In the US the athletes are funded by private money as well as the structure supporting it. Furthermore, the curriculums in Sport-Studies schemes in the USSR were actually real. Not like the US curriculums for student athletes.

[American Caesar]

Don´t you have some cougar to stress test or is it only an amateur thing too?


The USSR had no NOC in 1936. The USSR NOC was voted in by the IOC after WW2. Spain was in the middle of a civil war, your ignorance is impregnable.
Weissmuller held a US passport, while no one could verify his DoB and PoB? Weismuller was Austro-Hungarian as such he could not participate. Who said there was a US state sponsored PED program? As said before the US way is privately. However US athletes caught with similar substances while not training together shows the issue of sustained and programmed doping is a real and serious one.

As for the PED and Commbloc, the issue is that you still do not understand the structure of Soviet sport societies, there could not be a specific program to dope them all as there were different clubs and VSS´s that were competing primarily towards eachother.

As for the East Germans and other such sensationalist bollocks... (300 destroyed athletes for each champion) those were primarily the work of a handful of clubs - Dynamo being one of them.

After 1908 the US would go on to dominate EACH and every Olympics (bar 1936 which a number of US athletes boycotted after the US NOC called for it). After 1952 (first entry of the USSR NOC in the Olympics the US would be thrown in a tango with the USSR). During those years the US would go on to ammass 2000+ medals most than ANY OTHER NATION...

A sport club funded by the state, means the coaches and personnel were state workers, not the athletes. You seem to have terrible issues with understanding. In the US the athletes are funded by private money as well as the structure supporting it. Furthermore, the curriculums in Sport-Studies schemes in the USSR were actually real. Not like the US curriculums for student athletes.

The Spanish govt issued the boycott before the civil war broke out in July 1936 the Olympic games started in August. The USSR boycotted all games before 1952 and therefore didn't form an Olympic Committee also it was at odds with Nazi Germany at the time.

The US dominated every Olympics after 1908, really? Why don't you take a closer look at the Winter Olympics. It took doped up state paid for Soviet athletes to become number one. What's your sorry excuse for state sponsored cheating?

And don't give me this crap about sports clubs acting on their own. In Combloc countries the state had their hands in everything. You just have your head so far up your a$$ you bought into the party line bull$hit.

So what the US has the most medals. Apart from the summer 1980 games we took part in every one and with a larger population we had larger teams. Jealous?

[Slenke]

How can you pay $2 in tax for something that has a market value (in metal) of $3?

As every Olympic athlete knows, size matters. The London 2012 medals are the largest ever in terms of both weight and diameter - almost double the medals from Beijing. However, just as equally well-known is that quality beats quantity and that is where the current global austerity, coin-clipping, devaluation-fest begins. The 2012 gold is 92.5 percent silver, 6.16 copper and... 1.34 percent gold, with IOC rules specifying that it must contain 550 grams of high-quality silver and a whopping 6 grams of gold. The resulting medallion is worth about $500. For the silver medal, the gold is replaced with more copper, for a $260 bill of materials. The bronze medal is 97 percent copper, 2.5 percent zinc and 0.5 percent tin. Valued at about $3, you might be able to trade one for a bag of chips in Olympic park if you skip the fish.

​http://www.zerohedge.com/news/auster...tains-134-gold

[American Caesar]

What I want to know is that if this tax has been in place for a number of years why has it become an issue all of a sudden?

[Corrupt]

How can you pay $2 in tax for something that has a market value (in metal) of $3?

Because you get prize money as well as the medal?

What I want to know is that if this tax has been in place for a number of years why has it become an issue all of a sudden?

I'd say election year, but aren't most Olympics in election years (both on a four year cycle)? God knows.

[Ozzy[NO]]

What I want to know is that if this tax has been in place for a number of years why has it become an issue all of a sudden?

It's always been an issue, but most people don't know about it. I've known about it for many years. Good thing such a big event as this can raise awerness and might make things better for future sporting-events in Britain.

(Or are you refering to the US tax?) I'm not sure i'd qualify that as an "issue", but the US could perhaps appreciate their athletes more. At least those who doesn't make much money of it to begin with(aka not the basketball team etc).

[Corrupt]

It's always been an issue, but most people don't know about it. I've known about it for many years. Good thing such a big event as this can raise awerness and might make things better for future sporting-events in Britain.

The issue he's referring to is the American IRS taxing Athletes, not British tax laws.

[Ozzy[NO]]

The issue he's referring to is the American IRS taxing Athletes, not British tax laws.

I realised that, so I edited my post

[American Caesar]

It's always been an issue, but most people don't know about it. I've known about it for many years. Good thing such a big event as this can raise awerness and might make things better for future sporting-events in Britain.

(Or are you refering to the US tax?) I'm not sure i'd qualify that as an "issue", but the US could perhaps appreciate their athletes more. At least those who doesn't make much money of it to begin with(aka not the basketball team etc).

Yes I am referring to US tax laws.

[Slenke]

Because you get prize money as well as the medal?

From the article in the original post:

For instance: Americans who win bronze will pay a $2 tax on the medal itself. But the bronze comes with a modest prize—$10,000 as an honorarium for devoting your entire life to being the third best athlete on the planet in your chosen discipline. And the IRS will take $3,500 of that, thank you very much.

So you pay roughly 66,66 % tax on your medal? That was my point.

[Moose]

Well if you exempt tax on earnings from performance based competitions (in other words not a lottery competition) couldn’t I have an agreement with the two carpenters working in my house that it was a competition and that they would probably win one time each? Probably not.