I think You all completely not understand that ABM capability is just for our AD system. This is not that we say, hey let's purchase GBI only to make Russians angry. It is just one of the points of very complex Air Defences modernization plans. Why we can't in eyes of some people have a modern AD system with ABM capabilities?
Russians have modern AD systems with ABM capabilities, and they also have nuclear weapons, but when my country want a decent AD system with ABM capabilities, then everyone are outraged... this is just, strange.
I´d dare to say it´s pretty clear, Damian.Originally Posted by Damian90
Some countries´ building & purchasing of military equipement are surounded by a lot of political & even `psychological´ issues, what makes a perectly regular procedure for some nations, as well as a proof od industrial development, is a matter of concern & discussions when it comes to others.
The whole GBI issue from Polish stand point was all politics. Just listen to their complaints after Obama made the change. "oh he left us at the mercy of Russia" bla bla. I do hope Poles spend their defense budget wisely and ignore the idiots in politics.
"anti-missile shield" is a whole new level of AD. It's just political speaks for Poland if you ask me.
Military see a need to have such systems, and belive me, they don't give a damn about some of politicians in our country that are idiots, neither most of citizens care about what these morons says.
However GBI or other American system would improve our safety, and also we would have occasion to learn things or two. But it is not that we want to start a war or invade any of our neighbours, WP main mission is to defend our territory, not to invade our neighbours. I hoped it is clear to everyone...
.. and yet if you buy some beds for a military post it will be OMG POLAND IN AN ARMS RACE !!1!!!1!! anyway
It's all political bullocks. How much will a real missile shield cost Poland? I'm not even gonna argue this. Olympic's on TV .
My God! Then this will be an total outrage when our industry will present LOOK on MSPO this year..... and yet if you buy some beds for a military post it will be OMG POLAND IN AN ARMS RACE !!1!!!1!! anyway
Anyone who wonders what LOOK is, it is this:
Ok enough of this "humor".
Our AA defense is... weak. We have to basically build it from scratches, so why don't make real thing?
Fair point there; I think it´s being too focused on its ABM side, rather than as you remark.
Party yes, Russia saw it as another NATO encircling act to try and create more animosity towards them. Especially since Russia made the point of saying they would be more than willing to make an ABM shield even closer to Iran that would be capable of stopping them from launching an ICBM. Also the fact Russia didn't like the idea of NATO shooting missiles at Iranian missiles flying over their territory, possibly causing fallout issues depending on what was being blown up in the skies above Russia's territory. But of course the US and Russia, the two main driving forces in this could never agree, so Obama decided not to go through with this costly endeavor. Some people now bash the POTUS/west for being weak or afraid of Russia, but me I think it's more of a self-esteem issue for Poland or even Europe. The US can't keep spending on foreign members of NATO all the time in order to keep up their military might.
I think it's a little funny how the president of Poland blames us for not going through with it, I understand the big USA is the largest contributor and driving force of NATO. But really, it's our fault for not making a missile shield for you? Hey it's not like it was the greatest idea to start with anyway, just more relic-like thinking left over from the Cold War really. But if Poland has legit concerns, and wants the shield, then sure, that should be on Poland's dime, I don't think it's seriously much of a NATO (especially since the US is the largest contributor) problem.
No disrespect to anyone, sorry if I came across as antagonistic. I just don't believe many people in Europe or Poland are loosing sleep every night over fear of Russia/Iran/eastern-nations dropping nukes on them... Would more than likely be a "dirty-bomb" scenario, than it would be conventional nuclear-missile. The Iranian Government talks a tough game, but they aren't full retard, they would probably pay under the table some 3rd party organization to carry out this sort of an attack, rather than risk WWIII with total destruction of their own country. That's assuming they have ICBMs capable of reaching Europe in the first place, then again if they did, they could probably just contract out a merchant ship to transport missile-launcher closer to western Europe and bypass any primary defense shield anyway.
Poland wants his own little shield for his own little land but largely financed by other European countries, am i right?
Like he fvcking cares.
NATO ALTBMD Programme
http://www.acus.org/natosource/nato-...rmany-diplomat
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_49635.htm
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Poland can afford one PAC-3 battery every 5-10 years... reason why it still only has SA-3/Neva, SA-6/Kub and SA-8/Osa and why Poland wanted free Patriot battery.
Poland holds ~2400 soldiers plus some heavy equipment(helos, apc) in Afghanistan if you haven't noticed, during Iraqi mission Poland was one of few countries supporting US with military strength so next time he might face the necessity of sending 2000 more of his own soldiers to fight and die in such places.
The US had 112,000 troops in Iraq, I am pretty sure they have always considered your nation's contribution as negligible amount of boots. They never really cared and never will because they don't need Poland. As a matter of fact, they don't need anyone to fight their battles.
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