Holder targets school discipline practices: ‘unacceptable,’ ‘destructive’

[Ought Six]

http://tinyurl.com/7y5s8sl


Original link (Daily Caller -- link corrupted by profanity filter):

http://daily***********/2012/02/27/h...e-destructive/

“We’ve often seen that students of color, students from disadvantaged backgrounds, and students with special needs are disproportionately likely to be suspended or expelled,” Holder said in Atlanta, Ga.

“This is, quite simply, unacceptable. … These unnecessary and destructive policies must be changed,” Holder said at the meeting, which was hosted by 100 Black Men of Atlanta Inc.

Holder attributed his claim of racial disparity in school discipline to a 2011 study that he said showed “83 percent of African American male students and 74 percent of Hispanic male students ended up in trouble and suspended for some period of time.”

However, Holder’s speech ignored the report’s conclusion that 59 percent of white males are also disciplined. He ignored other data suggesting that the different discipline rates roughly align with actual schoolyard behavior.
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Holder’s speech reflects a growing demand by government-funded professionals for federal government intervention to ensure that school officials discipline students in each racial or ethnic group at roughly the same rates, without regard to classroom behavior. This campaign has generated funding for many studies, as well as a stream of supportive articles in outlets such as The Washington Post.

They are trying to create 'racism' in schools where there is none.

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[Kit]

While Holder's logic is flawed, I do concur that African Americans kids are disproportionally expelled/suspended.

Of course, these kids aren't kicked out of school because they were talking over the teacher during class. They get kicked out because they brought a weapon, started a fight, brought drugs, or brought some other inner-city problems with them because African Americans are disproportionally urban. Schools don't expel to "make an example" out of someone, but for student safety. It's not so much as race, but environment. These kids also tend to come from families where education is not valued and everyone is indifferent is someone fails or succeeds.

Blaming schools for expelling dangerous kids is a little thick headed, I think. But regardless, schools need to play an active role to help these kids out because nobody else will. Also, suspension is one of the stupidest disciplines you can give a trouble maker. If they don't want to be in school, you punish them by not allowing them to go to school? Doesn't make sense.

[panzrman]

However, Holder’s speech ignored the report’s conclusion that 59 percent of white males are also disciplined. He ignored other data suggesting that the different discipline rates roughly align with actual schoolyard behavior.

How convenient.

[LineDoggie]

So Holder/Obama dont want schoolchildren to be disciplined. Since when is DoJ's brief internal School policies? good to see Holders priorities are correct

Hide documents showing you allowed a Fed to be murdered with guns you sent Narcos

we got the most wanted then?

[Ought Six]

So Holder/Obama dont want schoolchildren to be disciplined. Since when is DoJ's brief internal School policies? good to see Holders priorities are correct

They do not want Black schoolchildren disciplined. The sad thing is that in the long run this will only worsen problems in the Black communities nationwide. But Obama is apparently willing to engage in this kind of harmful racebaiting in order to try and get reelected.

[DS73]

While Holder's logic is flawed, I do concur that African Americans kids are disproportionally expelled/suspended.

Of course, these kids aren't kicked out of school because they were talking over the teacher during class. They get kicked out because they brought a weapon, started a fight, brought drugs, or brought some other inner-city problems with them because African Americans are disproportionally urban. Schools don't expel to "make an example" out of someone, but for student safety.

Indeed troublemakers end up being expelled when they become a serious permanent problem and often a safety hazard for other students and teachers.
Other people.
Expelling is not a punishment, it is an act of self-preservation.

It's not so much as race, but environment. These kids also tend to come from families where education is not valued and everyone is indifferent is someone fails or succeeds.

Not only, but it's a close call. But of course the American administration just like their European buddies have no interest in diving into social swamps. There is no quick or even "general" solution. Nothing to attach your name to or to sell politically.

Blaming schools for expelling dangerous kids is a little thick headed, I think. But regardless, schools need to play an active role to help these kids out because nobody else will.Also, suspension is one of the stupidest disciplines you can give a trouble maker. If they don't want to be in school, you punish them by not allowing them to go to school? Doesn't make sense.

The purpose of schools is to educate young people. To make them valuable members of a society which builds and supports these schools. To educate in general meaning of this word. Indeed schools teach "Everybody". But in real life "everybody" means majority. And this "majority", which has a good chance to learn something, good working schools are focused upon. Schools can focus or on them or on "dropouts": too different speed of actual learning and of social interactions makes impossible to do both in the same time.
People, children included, are different. Not everybody can or even wants to run 100m in 11s.

It's not teachers' job to save "troublemakers", it's not their job to look after "minorities", or to recover or to give a "helping hand" to a "delayed" kid. Teaching is very different from "social assistance". Very different tasks, processional requirements and type of people which are required.

It looks like Holder and C. are more interested in trashing what is left of American education, and making next generations more simple, dependent on state and probably easier accessible to political propaganda.

[gaijinsamurai]

Blame the school instead of the misbehaving kid, blame the gun instead of the criminal.

I can't believe this guy is actually the Attorney General.

[IconOfEvi]

How is this clown still the Attorney General again?

[Kit]

How is this clown still the Attorney General again?

He's the true face and intentions of Obama and the Democrats. Obama will stand in front of a camera and say nice things, while his elf, Holder, carries out ideas presented in leftist academic journals.

I've had a professor that wanted us to adopt election policies of Latin America to help our representation, BECAUSE THAT'S WORKING SWIMMINGLY FOR THEM.

[LineDoggie]

Holders so ****ing stupid he makes Janet Reno look competant at Fire Prevention...

[Gordon]

The OP is an old article but still very relevant, here's a link to the whole speech:
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/sp...ch-120225.html

Essentially he's branding the majority of school administrative decision makers to be massively racist.

I like this bit:

"We’ve observed that suspension is too often the first step on the path toward incarceration."

Really? What about the action that caused the person to be suspended, or any of the other contributing factors that likely occurred during the previous decade plus?

It's like saying the school administration is guilty of causing that person to go down the wrong track and end up a criminal.

Absolutely ridiculous.

The sad thing is that there are massive issues that need to be addressed, unfortunately they're being ignored to push a massively 'anti-racist' agenda.

[IconOfEvi]

Wonder if usmcprincipal has seen this?

[Laconian]

Holder’s speech reflects a growing demand by government-funded professionals for federal government intervention to ensure that school officials discipline students in each racial or ethnic group at roughly the same rates, without regard to classroom behavior. This campaign has generated funding for many studies, as well as a stream of supportive articles in outlets such as The Washington Post.

Ah, yes. Make a claim of systemic racism that requires more academic funding, using government grants. To research a hypothesis you have a foregon conclusion for.

[Kit]

Ah, yes. Make a claim of systemic racism that requires more academic funding, using government grants. To research a hypothesis you have a foregon conclusion for.

and if the results are inconclusive, tweek the statistics and you got a case. This is one of the reasons I will not pursue a masters in Political Science.