Reply With Quote^^^ lol that was funny. Does that goodguy dude really expect us to believe his revisionist crap taught to him by his handlers after the images ( a few only I admit ) we saw?
That's just a western myth. They we're just hooligans trying to rob and destroy regular peoples property.Originally Posted by Aznthang
Chicom-bot Goodguy explained how we got it wrong:
^^^ lol that was funny. Does that goodguy dude really expect us to believe his revisionist crap taught to him by his handlers after the images ( a few only I admit ) we saw?
He was bad at being a chinabot. He got banned so he can no longer spread the truth of the best, most democratic, fairest country on the Earth.
But nobody died on Tienanmen Square. Don't know what you guys are talking about.
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Yeah and I'm sure those background noises were just firecrackers and not automatic rifles.
Say what now?
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Yeah and I'm sure those background noises were just firecrackers and not automatic rifles.
Again: nobody died at the Square (People did die on the streets).
Compare human rights between China and Vietnam is like between China and North Korea.
Because Chinese GPD per capita is much higher, the private sector is more than 70 percent in China while under 50% in Vietnam. What does it mean? It means people in Vietnam are more dependent in the State so they have less choice compare to their Chinese counterpart or more compare to North Korea comrades. Choosing is part of human rights.
It is very complex when comparing political systems, but at least on paper there are other parties outside CCP, Chinese has democracy in HK, but none in Vietnam. Just because the West fears the China's rising so their media make it look like a monster, but countries like Vietnam are much worse to their people but you won't hear anything about it.
Worse? Like invading Tibet and trying to eradicate their culture? Like shooting down unarmed Buddhists as they try to cross the border into India to see their spiritual leader? Like stealing vast areas of sea with all its resources from weaker neighboring nations by force?
Does that matter than they died in the streets next to the square or right in the middle of the square?
Noone has tried to claim that Vietnam is democratic or even compared it to China in any sense concerning civil liberties. All we said is that China is not democratic, doesn't respect it's neightbours and lacks any moral highground for doing that.
The 1989 Tiananmen square protests and the latter clapdown by the CCP was not limited to the square itself, in this context "Tiananmen" has a broader meaning and isn't geographically limited to a single spot.
So you support dialogue, so long as its not THEIR dialogue, or if it isn't singing Middle Kingdom's praises all day?
The problem is why are you not one?
And no one is bullying Chinese members here - we just call them bots out on their BS when their handlers get them to post inane ****.
While we like to joke about Chicom bots getting paid 50 yuan per post to sway online discussions onto a pro-PRC platform, the truth is, they DO do that. To as well shut out dissidents, to identify potential domestic 'thought-criminals' as well. As for democracy and knowledge, its clear dictatorship and communism/kleptocratic rule do far worse for the brain. You and all the Chicom bots/trolls are all the proof of that. Tienanmen didn't happen, what?
Hong Kong only has its now-limited democracy BECAUSE those were the TERMS under which Beijing had to accept control of the city. And even now, the PRC clearly lied and have VASTLY infringed on the freedom of Hong Kongers. So enough of THAT. On paper parties? Pffft, even the Soviet Union had them.
I say, you Chicom bots whine about the abuse you get on the Internet, but imo, you guys deserve it, because thanks to your political system and the lack of freedom that you accept, you assume everyone is as dumb**** as you guys. Clue, we're not.
LMAO, how many people died in Tianmen 1989, maybe a thousand? How many Tibetians are killed by Chinese?
Here are how Viet gov't treat it own people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boat_people
After the fall of Saigon, an estimated 1-2.5 million people were imprisoned with no formal charges or trials, 165,000 people died in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam's re-education camps. Thousands were tortured or abused.. blah blah..
Then UN estimated that 200,000-400,000 Vietnamese boat people died at sea why tried to escape that country, escape their own goverment. Better then your Chinese heroes, isnt it?
And till now, there are numerous other occasions in Vietnam where goverment beats its own unarmed Christians or Buddist citizens, take many of their properties include sacred buildings.. but I bet you don't know anything about it, just like North Korea, or Syria or some African countries, it doesn't matter much like if it happens in China.
The economy and technology edges gives Chinese leaders much more tools to manage their country, while in Vietnam, it is much more like Syria or Iraq under Hussein, they treat opposions with many dirty tricks, they treat them like animals, ie political prisons die without reason or attack them mentally. Or they may torture prisons in part cover by clothes, keep their faces clean then take them to medias like nothing happened, many trick like that to its own people because the goverment want to bring fear among country, this is how a commnunist country runs 101.
Stealing vast areas of sea isn't human rights, it happens between nations. I just said goverments like in Vietnam, Syria, North Korea or Iraq is much worse to their people than their Chinese counter part. But who gives a fu** if it happens in Syria, isn't it? Or where are you when Russia takes Georgia's land? But why do you care about South China Sea so much? Why do you care about Vietnam protesters? Is there any protest about human rights in Vietnam? None, because goverment will supress them, but protest agaisnt Chinese, this is why it is just a joke. People like you don't know the situations in the region.
A side note, I know words like communist aren't hot nowaday, because the West get rid of it already. But if a commnist party ever rulling America, then your people will know what it means. Nowaday communists only rulling in some far far small undeveloped countries, so it isn't hot anymore, we still can trade and make money out of it. When a Nato soldier die, all the media cover it, but millions still struggling under out of fashion communism, who cares? Fck yeah.
Cheers.
That is a reasonable position, Tusiki. Remember that dialog means accepting to listen to the other side's point of view, and that negotiation means giving as well as taking.
I will grant you that Vietnam demonizing China will certainly not help fostering any fruitful dialog. Keep in mind that China positing from the get go that Vietnam's demands or grievances are illegitimate and irrelevant will doom dialog for sure.
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