Reply With QuoteNah, Tusiki at least shows real promise.Originally Posted by crimsontide
wow, 3 china bots in 1 thread, this is interesting...
Nah, Tusiki at least shows real promise.
313230 must be china-bots' supervisor call. Deflection, deception, and opportunistically confrontational. Classic chinese doctrine for hundreds of years. Suggest y'all read about it and it all falls into place.
I am actually curious what the going pay rate is for chinaboting. I'd spread the virtues of the glorious peoples republic if they paid me enough...
Why do you keep bringing up what happened to the native Americans?...half the peple arguing with you are not Americans, Atlantic being one.
I have news for you, the World outside China isn't just Uncle Sam land.
Of course the protests in Vietnam are approved by the state, if not downright organized by the authorities. Just as the Chinese government regularly organizes staged protests (like the ones about France last year) whenever it appears convenient.
It would be a grave mistake, IMHO, to consider that means there is not a strong nationalist undercurrent running deep in the Vietnamese people, particularly when China is involved, and that the Vietnamese government just has to tap into to strengthen its position, show its resolve, and brandish to garner sympathy. Again, China has shown us it could and did play the exact same game.
The most important thing is in the long term, how can South East Asia contries defend agaisnt China? Arm race? Invite the US? No, it will create more tension
Chinese economy and military will continue to expand, no way you can arm race it.
The only stable way is US helping Viet or Phil develop their economy and human rights and more relation, fair trading with China. But this way US will lose it position in the region and coutry like Viet dont want to lose its dictatorship, but it is the only long term solution.
Other way if you choose arm race sooner or later war will happen
What is it we don't know, that the communist regime in Hanoi use people to stage protests? It's most likely so, however that doesn't mean that we think that the actions taken by China is correct.
Oh and the military isn't for when people disagree, it's for then people disagree and are to stupid to resolve their issues in any other way.
So what you are saying is that China will do what ever it wants and noone should do anything about it or protest against it because then you guys will go to war?
That would give the rest of the world causus belli, and concidering that your economy is driven by the demand in the rest of the world you will eventually lose.
I think we'll agree History shows that war is best averted when the potential aggressor (be that modern China or Napoleonic France) starts doubting the rewards he'll reap will really overcome the cost of the conflict (in terms of money, territory, human life, etc).
Mutual trade is a nice thing that certainly can help in this regard, but it does not make war impossible, far from it. Look at both world wars : they opposed the nations who were each other's biggest trading partners. Also, trade alone is useless if war breaks out.
That Vietnam or the Philippines offer greater freedoms to their citizens is also nice and desirable, but how would that make a war against them less likely? How would that help solve the issue of Chinese overfishing in the Philippins EEZ, or of finding a durable solution for the Paracelse islands?
When all is said and done, a strong military helps deter aggressors, and is vital to defeat them if deterrence fails.
It is not like that, you guys always try to bend other's idea. But you said China will lose show how naive you are on the world scale.
Even if you sign some treaties with China, what is the matter? Lol, when it come to nation interest, in about 10 years if China economy continue to expand, its military more developed when the right time come, no treaty stand a chance.
The only way is you have economy relation with it from both side. But enough, I don't think you have the ability to understand the matter.
"The only way is you have economy relation with it from both side. But enough, I don't think you have the ability to understand the matter."
I do not mean to derail this thread, as I have nothing to contribute that will add to the debate other than the fact that Atlantic has given some great points and seems willing to discuss things. Can you do the same without the insults and arrogance?
When the anti-china protests showed up in the Philippines, china immediately took it as government orchestrated. They should know, that's how they do it and thought how other governments do it. The freedom to protest is very alien to them.
The irony is when the commie filipinos show up to also protest against china...
Pride. It comes before the fall, you know.
"no treaty stand a chance"
Sounds very familiar. The last time a country did that, it got occupied and ultimately split into two for a few decades. If all the claimant countries found a lasting alliance with a common enemy, that could spell trouble for china.
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