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    Default Obama Signs Act Restricting Westboro Military Funeral Protests

    Honoring America's Veterans Act Signed By Obama, Restricting Westboro Military Funeral Protests
    President Barack Obama signed the Honoring America’s Veterans and Caring for Camp Lejeune Families Act of 2012 into law on Monday, providing a wide-ranging package of benefits to military personnel and enacting new restrictions on protests of service member funerals.

    "We have a moral sacred duty to our men and women in uniform," Obama said before signing the bill, according to a pool report. "The graves of our veterans are hallowed grounds."

    The new law will have strong implications for the Westboro Baptist Church, a Kansas-based organization which the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League have labeled a hate group. Westboro Baptist Church has drawn media attention for its brand of protest, which frequently links the deaths of soldiers to America's growing acceptance of gays.

    Under the new legislation, protests must be held at least 300 feet from military funerals and are prohibited two hours before or after a service. The law counters a 2011 Supreme Court ruling, which found that displays such as Westboro's were protected under the First Amendment.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1748454.html

    Damn it screwed up the title it's supposed to be "Obama Signs Act Restricting Westboro Military Funeral Protests"

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    Might as well shoot those sick fvcks on sight as an act of defence

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    Great news, now how about that tax-exempt status.

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    Unfortunately it will be overturned in the courts. I also disagree that Mili funerals should be the only recipients of such protections. ALL Funerals should be protected from Harrassment, not just Military. its about the families desire for dignity and a solemn occasion, and that desire doesnt stop because one never served in the military.

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    I am suprised know one has lit these retards up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Unfortunately it will be overturned in the courts. I also disagree that Mili funerals should be the only recipients of such protections. ALL Funerals should be protected from Harrassment, not just Military. its about the families desire for dignity and a solemn occasion, and that desire doesnt stop because one never served in the military.
    Agree, while I am against protest done by Westboro, the Supreme Court has ruled on the matter and is based on the Constitution. This act is another extrajudical action and subversion of the Constitution for political points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chulo View Post
    Agree, while I am against protest done by Westboro, the Supreme Court has ruled on the matter and is based on the Constitution. This act is another extrajudical action and subversion of the Constitution for political points.


    If I understand this correctly, the Westboro protestors must be 300 feet from the funeral, nothing prohibiting their freedom of speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chulo View Post
    Agree, while I am against protest done by Westboro, the Supreme Court has ruled on the matter and is based on the Constitution. This act is another extrajudical action and subversion of the Constitution for political points.
    X3 and yes it will be turned over in court. Obama seems to think waving his hand and proclaiming it, must make it legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    X3 and yes it will be turned over in court. Obama seems to think waving his hand and proclaiming it, must make it legal.
    As it should since Obama appears to be a clueless constitutional scholar. Local governments however can deny or restrict protest permits if there is a reasonable reason for doing so. For example, restricting them to a distance greater that 300 ft. is relatively easy to accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    X3 and yes it will be turned over in court. Obama seems to think waving his hand and proclaiming it, must make it legal.
    Honest question here: What do you think is the difference between establishing a "no-holding-up-fvcktarded-banners-zone" around funerals, military or otherwise, and setting up "free speech zones" during the Dem's or GOP's national conventions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue_Kop View Post
    If I understand this correctly, the Westboro protestors must be 300 feet from the funeral, nothing prohibiting their freedom of speech.
    There is a question of where and when you can restrict someones freedom. A public forum has different protections when compared to semi public or private forum areas. Creating a 300 feet "bubble" within a public forum overturns the jurisprudence of free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland_09 View Post
    Honest question here: What do you think is the difference between establishing a "no-holding-up-fvcktarded-banners-zone" around funerals, military or otherwise, and setting up "free speech zones" during the Dem's or GOP's national conventions?
    One is public and the other is a private forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    X3 and yes it will be turned over in court.
    Add another X in the 'agreed' column.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chulo View Post
    There is a question of where and when you can restrict someones freedom.
    The question is not about restricting anyone's rights. There are reasonable efforts local governments/PD's can take to ensure the safety of everyone as they exercise their rights on public property (like a sidewalk). This includes placing distance restrictions between countering protestors (or protesters against a publicly held event), limiting access to streets/roadways or entrances to businesses/private establishments.

    The key word in the above statement is reasonable. This does not include the politically motivated actions of politicians/PD's to stifle free speech (as has been the case in places like NYC).

    Creating a 300 feet "bubble" within a public forum overturns the jurisprudence of free speech.
    It would in the arbitrary manner that Obama presented it.

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    Campaigning via legislation- one of the perks of being an incumbent. No way that will withstand legal scrutiny.

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