By "discuss it" you mean these rather worthless and inflamatory comments?Originally Posted by Ought Six
But I guess we have no right to be concerned, or even discuss it in a discussion board.
Excuses, excuses, excuses from the EU apologists. You just keep right on thinking everything hunky dory. I mean almost 4 years of rising double digit unemployment for Spain (hey you measure seasons in years Kotemore?) Greece23%, France10%, Italy 11% and Germany flirting with it at 7% hey I guess you all know what the fook your doing over there.
Hypocrite.A couple of Americans getting their panties in a twist about the European Union? Priceless.
I was looking for the interesting debate or information you added to this thread. Strangely, there is none.
You're welcome, OS.
Learn to think outside the box 0-6.
There *are* conservatives in Europe and many of them don't like Farage either.
Like me.
He's a hypocrite. He makes a living with blaming things on the European Union which it didn't even hatch. He makes a living with reiterating disproven lies - such as his most favourite claim the EU would've banned non-curved bananas. He became a parliamentarian only to dissolve the parliament yet he happily cashes in all the luxuries they're granted for working in Brussels. Phuck me isn't he a sweetheart.
Would you cherish a congressman who's only declared intention is to close down Capitol Hill? I don't think you would or at least I hope so.
And your adoption of American Caesar's drivel doesn't serve you well either. 25% unemployment in Spain? Why yes of course its a shame. But none the EU is to blame for. The economic crisis in Spain results from a mixture of domestic mismanagement and a limited economic portfolio (which made their economy susceptible to external influences) as well as inner-Spanish issues like the costly secessional endeavours of some Spanish regions. Why for God's green earth is the EU to blame for issues only politicians in Madrid, Barcelona and San Sebastian have a say in?
If anything they could be blamed on the Eurozone, a system not even congruent with the European Union (even though some people in here don't seem know the difference). But even that's heavily disputable. An economy whose two major pillars are tourism and construction doesn't need to wonder when dire times kick in due to a lack of tourists and revenue losses.
Nice passive-aggressive attack.
----------No problem with that. I was just trying (and failed) to get mb to give me something more than statements like the first sentence of your post here, which tell me absolutely nothing about why he objects to Farange.There *are* conservatives in Europe and many of them don't like Farage either. Like me.
----------Finally! You are the first one to give any substantive explanation why you dislike Farange.He's a hypocrite. He makes a living with blaming things on the European Union which it didn't even hatch. He makes a living with reiterating disproven lies - such as his most favourite claim the EU would've banned non-curved bananas. He became a parliamentarian only to dissolve the parliament yet he happily cashes in all the luxuries they're granted for working in Brussels. Phuck me isn't he a sweetheart. Would you cherish a congressman who's only declared intention is to close down Capitol Hill? I don't think you would or at least I hope so.
----------If you go back and look at what I actually said, I used that stat solely to debunk Mackie's claim that you could find the same sort of economic data in America as you could in the EU. I did not apply it generally to charactize the EU, but only used it as a debunking example in that very narrow context.And your adoption of American Caesar's drivel doesn't serve you well either. 25% unemployment in Spain? Why yes of course its a shame. But none the EU is to blame for. The economic crisis in Spain results from a mixture of domestic mismanagement and a limited economic portfolio (which made their economy susceptible to external influences) as well as inner-Spanish issues like the costly secessional endeavours of some Spanish regions. Why for God's green earth is the EU to blame for issues only politicians in Madrid, Barcelona and San Sebastian have a say in?
----------Obviously there are far more serious problems that just that, the biggest being incompatible economies using a common currency without a common economic planning authority. That is simply untenable, which is why the euro is very likely doomed.If anything they could be blamed on the Eurozone, a system not even congruent with the European Union (even though some people in here don't seem know the difference). But even that's heavily disputable. An economy whose two major pillars are tourism and construction doesn't need to wonder when dire times kick in due to a lack of tourists and revenue losses.
Fair enough. You took some flak that wasn't aimed at you but others to whom you corresponded, I apologize for that.
No harm, no foul.
Truth is a b*tch ain't it?
I also get a chuckle from all the EU faux economic experts on here who think that they are smarter than someone who's has proven to my family for the last 10+ years that they know what the're doing but I'm supposed to take the advice from a bunch of avatars on a website who have been to what business school? Oh the school of "Hey I got over 5,000 posts on MP net and that makes me important."
Billions of the so-called US stimulus went to the ECB and IMF to prop up the EU. Our "Most transparent administration in presidential history" is keeping that quiet with the help of the US media but they can't hide the paper trail.
If you don't see how ridiculous it is to claim you'd have more insight on inner-European matters than people who actually live in Europe merely because of questionable comments uttered by your America-based "financial advisor" whose expertise no one can verify but you (even if you rely so highly on it that even this is doubtful)... well then pass your vast knowledge on to us cretins and explain how exactly the EU is to blame for unemployment in Spain (the example you put up). Whilst you're at it you might as well go into details on other points of contention reiterated by Nigel Farage.
Should you need to contact your advisor first - no worries. This thread isn't going to run away.
Last edited by muck; 08-10-2012 at 01:54 AM.
Living in a nation certainly gives you insight into the culture and history of that nation. But it does not make you an economics expert on that nation, any more than living in the nation makes you a military expert on that nation's military. You can, however, become an expert on the global economy and various nations' economies without ever visiting them. It is a matter of how much knowledge you have on the subject, and how well you understand the implications of that knowledge.
"political figures who, use cheap populism to gain political advantage and bring the European project in serious danger"?
I shall start with JMD Barroso, then Rumpey, then M. Scholtz, then... your choice.
You know what's ridiculous? That all you EU folks don't have a clue as to how integrated the global economy really is. This mess started with the sub-prime market collapse back in 2008.
You missed my point. I'm not suggesting "second-hand knowledge" is worthless. I'm suggesting someone with second-hand knowledge should rather wind their neck in after having repeatedly been corrected by others with first-hand knowledge, instead of attacking them in an impolite and smart-assy way.
If you think back to the discussions the two of us had in threads on inner-American matters I never insisted on knowing stuff better than you guys if reason was given to me to question my second-hand knowledge.So in the end it's America that's to blame? How good to know.
Okay, fair enough. I think we all get a little "smart-assy" though.
When you say "your family's financial adviser", is it your parents financial adviser and you've been listening in on the grown ups talking?
Anyway, here's some financial advice: Don't pay for financial advice.
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