While INS Vikrant will be delivered late, India starts design work on much larger CV

[xav]

While INS Vikrant will be delivered late, India starts design work on much larger, 65,000 tons, carrier

Indian Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma announced the nation's first indigenous aircraft carrier (IAC) INS Vikrant will not be ready until 2017, three years later than the planned schedule. However The New Indian Express daily reports that design work on the much larger aircraft carrier INS Vishal has already started.

“There were problems in manufacturing the gear box, which involves complex technology. The truck bringing generators overturned near Pune last year, further delaying the schedule,” Indian Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma explained.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index...sk=view&id=556

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article583809.ece

65,000 is like CVF... and are those CATOBAR rumors true? Where they gonna get the catapults from ?

[Steak-Sauce]

and are those CATOBAR rumors true? Where they gonna get the catapults from ?

Either they are developing this technology on their own, or some US or French companies may get a lucrative deal. Who knows..

[Arfah]

1234567890 never mind

[artjomh]

So, essentially, India is planning to have 3 different carriers with 3 different logistical supply chains, maintenance requirements and tactical capabilities.

This is a bad idea with zero economies of scale (except on aircraft but even then all three carriers will have different requirements which would likely eliminate some elements of interoperability).

I can understand Chinese approach (1 foreign training carrier and a series of indigenous operational
Carriers), but I don't understand the Indian approach (three didfderwnt operational carriers). It's going to be a logistical nightmare.

[CrYsIs]

Either they are developing this technology on their own, or some US or French companies may get a lucrative deal. Who knows..

Is assisted take off technology that difficult to master ?..hmmmmm...Only france and US have this system on their A/C....

[Szarko32c]

They will save lots of time simply by importing catapult from US, like French.

[xav]

Is assisted take off technology that difficult to master ?...Only france and US have this system on their A/C....it seems to me that indians would go with the french.

It must be.... because the French are actually using US made catapults... It is even US Navy personnel who comes every once in a while to maintain them.

So either it is complicated or it didn't make sense for France to go and develop and built only two units...

[CrYsIs]

It must be.... because the French are actually using US made catapults... It is even US Navy personnel who comes every once in a while to maintain them.

So either it is complicated or it didn't make sense for France to go and develop and built only two units...

Anyways this project is only on paper and if the economic situation of india worsens(growth falls below 5%) then there is a high chance that this 2nd A/C program might be cancelled.

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

That steam launching system is really quite old, but it must work.

The new Ford carriers will have EMALS, and I don't know whether that will be made available to others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro..._Launch_System

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...arriers-05220/

[Genotype]

That steam launching system is really quite old, but it must work.

The new Ford carriers will have EMALS, and I don't know whether that will be made available to others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro..._Launch_System

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...arriers-05220/

Converteam UK were working on a EMCAT design for the British carriers that was regarded as viable, before the decision was taken to order the more mature and proven USN General Atomics EMALs.

[twinblade]

If EM-CAT was deemed suitable for Queen Elizabeth class then it might be a workable solution for the so called INS Vishal as well. The question is, which aircraft will they go for.
a) Fit the carrier timeline to match that of AMCA ? (very optimistic)
b) Buy Rafale as an interim solution ? (Is navy prepared to muddle its logistics with 4 aircraft types being inducted in less than 2 decades ?)
c) Lease Rafale/SH as an interim solution ? (will there be any available ?)
d) Buy F-35C ? (same as b)
e) Develop a catobar version of Tejas as an interim solution and to maintain commonality in navy aviation wing ? (restricted operational capability, but might be the cheapest solution of all)

[xav]

b) Buy Rafale as an interim solution ? (Is navy prepared to muddle its logistics with 4 aircraft types being inducted in less than 2 decades ?)

Don't forget they'll be localy produced unlike any of the others (except Tejas but not catpult launch for this one)

[Kunal Biswas]

So, essentially, India is planning to have 3 different carriers with 3 different logistical supply chains, maintenance requirements and tactical capabilities.

Except INS Vikramaditya rest two CV are Indian and the spares used for them will be more or less same..

INS Virrat is going to decommission by 2015..

[artjomh]

Except INS Vikramaditya rest two CV are Indian and the spares used for them will be more or less same..

INS Virrat is going to decommission by 2015..

3 different designs still means 3 different supply chains, regardless of provenance.

[Kunal Biswas]

3 different designs still means 3 different supply chains, regardless of provenance.

That is correct, But if you notice there are plenty of different origin of Ships operate within IN for last 40 years..

IN like IAF is well adapted to this, About the positive side the spares for two CV are available in India largely..