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    Arrow New U.S. intel reports say Iran is closer to manufacturing nuclear weapons

    U.S. says focuses on diplomacy with Tehran, won't comment on new Iran report

    White House spokesman Jay Carney says Obama committed to preventing Iran from achieving nuclear weapons capabilities.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...eport-1.457249

    U.S. President Barack Obama remains committed to preventing Iran from achieving nuclear weapons capabilities, a White House official said on Thursday, following comments by Defense Minister Ehud Barak, according to which the American president received a new intelligence report brought the U.S. position on the matter closer to that of Israel.

    Earlier Thursday, Barak confirmed Haaretz's report that Obama recently received a new National Intelligence Estimate report on the Iranian nuclear program, which shares Israel's view that Iran has made significant progress toward military nuclear capability, and said that the report has raised the urgency of the issue.

    Speaking on Israel Radio on Thursday morning, the defense minister said that there is a U.S. intelligence report "being passed around senior offices," and that, as far as Israel knows, this report has brought the U.S. position over Iran closer to the Israeli position, and made the issue more urgent.
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    Well news flash - since the last report were Iran wasnt going to create bomb anymore, we killed some of their scientists and they for some reason decided to work on the program again after all. Who would have guessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    Well news flash - since the last report were Iran wasnt going to create bomb anymore, we killed some of their scientists and they for some reason decided to work on the program again after all. Who would have guessed.
    Nice to know you are privy to the inner secrets of the Iranian Ruling Council.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    Well news flash - since the last report were Iran wasnt going to create bomb anymore, we killed some of their scientists and they for some reason decided to work on the program again after all. Who would have guessed.
    The US 2007 report was mistaken and Israel rejected it as such.
    First Iranian scientist was killed in 2010.

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    More by Ehud Barak about this report:

    The United States estimate of Iran’s progress toward nuclear weapons is closer now than it was in the past to Israel’s assessment, and reflects a greater sense of urgent imperative to thwart the Iranian nuclear drive, Defense Minister Ehud Barak said on Thursday.

    He spoke amid reports that the American intelligence community has produced a new National Intelligence Estimate, recently presented to President Barack Obama, which details “alarming” intelligence about Iran’s nuclear program, including marked progress on key elements of its weaponization drive.

    The defense minister told Israel Radio the US and Israel saw eye-to-eye as regards the need to ensure Iran did not attain nuclear weapons, and that “all options” are on the table. There were “certain differences” between the US and Israel about the operative consequences of that shared assessment, but these differences were overstated in media reports.


    Nonetheless, he said, Israel would decide for itself on matters, such as thwarting Iran, that affected the security and future of the country.

    To that end, he added, he had received no message from the Americans to the effect that Saudi Arabia has warned it will shoot down any Israeli warplanes that enter its airspace in the course of an attack on Iran. Of course, he noted, Saudi Arabia is a sovereign nation and has every right to make its own sovereign decisions.

    The new NIE report, the daily newspaper Haaretz reported Thursday, is a 180-degree turn from the last NIE on Iran, in 2007, which reported that Iran had frozen its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and had not returned to it.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/barak-u...on-how-to-act/

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    What are the current chances of the US going to war with iran? I hope isreal takes care of the problem themselves but i have a feeling the US will get dragged into the situation sending in ground troops. What do yall think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1911 View Post
    What are the current chances of the US going to war with iran? I hope isreal takes care of the problem themselves but i have a feeling the US will get dragged into the situation sending in ground troops. What do yall think?
    1.Unless US think NPT is useless,can abandon ME influence,can afford EU under nuke threat,etc.US have issue with Iran's nuke.So its US(EU,Russia etc.) problem too.
    2.No ground troops(for start US don't have enough ready to succeed),its not needed too.

    P.S.Chances of US going to war with Iran depends on Iran's actions solely.IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1911 View Post
    What are the current chances of the US going to war with iran? I hope isreal takes care of the problem themselves but i have a feeling the US will get dragged into the situation sending in ground troops. What do yall think?
    I think Iran is now 11 hours closer to develop nuclear weapon than they were yesterday! Seriously, why would regime not order to develop nuclear deterrence if every day we hear that Israeli fighters are just waitng on tarmac to smash them. This "preventing Iran from achieving it's nuclear goals" is like 'campaign to encourage an attack on Iran'. Why should US consider sending ground troops, to stop bomb program or to occupy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1911 View Post
    What are the current chances of the US going to war with iran? I hope isreal takes care of the problem themselves but i have a feeling the US will get dragged into the situation sending in ground troops. What do yall think?

    I think it will be the US that takes care of this, and i think this for two reasons.

    1) The US have the military ability to do a more thorough job, aswell as some control over what follows after.

    2) The consequences of an Isreali strike could send the middle east spiralling out of control to such an extent, it will inevitably drag in everyone else, and we will not be in charge of events.

    There is a third reason that ties into both above, and i will put it into a question.

    3) What happen's if any Isreali strike fails or ends in military disaster?

    Isreali warplanes have a long way to go, and have to enter into Iran through "unfriendly" airspace, aswell as be refueled in flight either going in or coming out. Any mishap on that trip to Iran, and surprise is lost and then they could be looking at a very costly failure. They do not want to be taking on dogfights low on fuel and with a full weopon load before entering Iran!

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    Let's just face some hard truth here. Iran will get the bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American Caesar View Post
    Let's just face some hard truth here. Iran will get the bomb.

    And then Saudi?

    Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia with Nukes. It's the stuff of nightmare's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death's Head View Post
    I think it will be the US that takes care of this, and i think this for two reasons.

    1) The US have the military ability to do a more thorough job, aswell as some control over what follows after.

    2) The consequences of an Isreali strike could send the middle east spiralling out of control to such an extent, it will inevitably drag in everyone else, and we will not be in charge of events.

    There is a third reason that ties into both above, and i will put it into a question.

    3) What happen's if any Isreali strike fails or ends in military disaster?

    Isreali warplanes have a long way to go, and have to enter into Iran through "unfriendly" airspace, aswell as be refueled in flight either going in or coming out. Any mishap on that trip to Iran, and surprise is lost and then they could be looking at a very costly failure. They do not want to be taking on dogfights low on fuel and with a full weopon load before entering Iran!
    All these arguments are valid, but historical arguments can be opposed to them.
    Us Presidents opposed nuclear Pakistan. Pakistan got the bomb.
    US Presidents opposed nuclear North Korea. NK got the bomb.
    Bush refused to bomb Syrian reactor. Israel did it.

    History tells us that, in the end of the day, the US is not reliable enough to strike Iran on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    All these arguments are valid, but historical arguments can be opposed to them.
    Us Presidents opposed nuclear Pakistan. Pakistan got the bomb.
    US Presidents opposed nuclear North Korea. NK got the bomb.
    Bush refused to bomb Syrian reactor. Israel did it.

    History tells us that, in the end of the day, the US is not reliable enough to strike Iran on this issue.

    Fair point.

    Though there is one difference here that will make the US act, and that is the economical consequences of a nuclear armed Iran to europe, and the knock on effect that will have on the US. America may have vast reserves of the black stuff, but europe is on shakey ground, so im not sure the US wants the instability that brings!

    Personally, i think its time we all started looking for a different form of energy and leave them to killing each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death's Head View Post
    Personally, i think its time we all started looking for a different form of energy and leave them to killing each other.
    It is not all about energy. If we sit back and let Iran start producing nuclear weapons, widespread proliferation is certain. I think we would see regional nuclear wars and/or mushroom clouds rising over western cities from terrorist nukes within a decade or two.

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    Been reading this for several years now. Sooner or later it will have some validity to it.

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