Reply With QuoteWhats your problem asshole? didnt pump the cat tonight?Originally Posted by boone
Actually? , Yeah I wondered why the Japanese in the jungle scenes had No.4 Lee Enfield riflesWell see you were created out of old military parts, and thus understood the technical stuff. I did not.
Did you pick apart Bridge on the River Kwai (as a kid) also?
Whats your problem asshole? didnt pump the cat tonight?
I'm inclined towards agreeing with LD. Substituting vehicles where there's no chance of sourcing the "right" ones is one thing. Blantently not giving a crap about it is another.
They clearly took them from the British POW.
I have to agree with LD.
I mean, surely one can exaggerate this kind of... fanboism but if too obvious accuracy goofs can really spoil the fun.Hey thanks a lot!
Booner has spoken!
Last edited by seraosha; 08-12-2012 at 09:32 PM. Reason: lulz
Holy crap rough night? Pretty sure LD is more qualified in the militaryphotos forum than most of us here.
Also, realism has its place in movies and shows. Red October sucked. Pearl Harbor sucked. Rookie Blue (TV) sucks, etc. Attention to detail is part of the watching in movies for many people, myself included. Except where fake ****s exist. they help the show.
Never ever compare these two movies! My recommendation: Read the book! "Das Boot" shows the real struggle of german u-boat crews at WW II. The author of the book was a war correspondent assigned to some u-boat patrols - he critizied the movie at very few points which had no influence of the whole story.U571 OMFG better than Das Boat.
U-571 on the other hand seems like a bad copy of "das Boot" using the same dialogue lines at one point. You can clearly see the hollywood scheme by using american instead of british sailors who capture the enigma machine. Furthermore, the movie displays the german crew killing allied merchant sailors which is as today historically inaccurate. Additionally, the real U-571 was sunk after an aircraft attack not to speak of the "long range recon" Messerschmitt BF 109 or the lone german destroyer in the Atlantic.Of course, the movie is still nice popcorn cinema.
Poles have not stolen any Enigma machine, just covertly examined one send by Germans to their own ebassy, for some reason using regular mail, not diplomatic one. Plus of course studied comercially available ones.There wasn't a single decisive incident, there were serveral Enigma captures but the most decisive was U 110.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...110_%281940%29
Other captures included a german picket boat in the Lofoten Islands (the whole raid was staged just for that purpose) and other submarines.
Plus the Poles (you always forget the Poles) had allready stolen (!) one in the 30s
Also you could buy early Enigmas via catalogue in the 20s. They were sold on the open market.
However, the majority of success was pre-war effort in analytic apprach to problem and cracking consecutive versions of cypher and networks (one of networks wasn't broken until the end of war even by Bletchley Park), as well as reconstructing internal workings of later military versions of Enigma.
All fruits of this effort were shared with France and Britain shrotly before outbreak of war, in "Tizard-style" presentation.
Allies also orchestred several opertions aimed at capturing machines and other related info and equipment, eg. from supply travlers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8158782.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptan..._of_the_Enigma
Poland also had it's own version of similar mechanical crypthographic device:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacida
By no means. It isn't.
As of U-571 - well, I actually found it enjoyable despite it being ridden with historical and technical inaccuracies.
Why it suddenly became historically inaccurate ? Is it that politically inconvenient ? Kindly please read about Doenitz's Laconia Order.
Last edited by Deridex; 08-13-2012 at 05:09 AM.
Christ! Now I have picture in my mind CJ using his "good old hand crank projector" watching "Das Boo-bs".
And it won't go away!
Last edited by Jippo; 08-13-2012 at 05:26 AM. Reason: bloody censorship
That does take serious mind coordination to hand crank and fap at **** in the same time.... damn CJ.
You managed to negate all the expertise of your post with one sentence. Congratulations.
The Laconia order was about not helping survivors.
Not about killing them.
"More than you could possibly imagine Sirrah - but **** me, its worth it!!"
Hej I've been inside U96 more than 20 years ago. The inside was cool but I remember being amazed by the fact that they made fascinating movies out of nearly nothing.
and 90s techno classic
hehe lol at the waterdrop effect hihi must've been SOTA
You might want to read up on the Laconia order. It was put in place AFTER a U Boat Commander risked his boat to save survivors. He righted overturned life boats gather wounded on his boat and treated them, Radioed the Allies in the clear with his position advised them of the hundreds of survivors he was trying to take to a coastline and was still attacked over and over until forced to abandon the survivors. Thats a Big difference between machinegunning survivors in the water.
By the way the US Navy Submariners did just that, machinegunning Japanese survivors on multiple occasions. As well the British Submarine HMS Torbay (N79) on at least 2 occasions machinegunned enemy personnel swimming in the water and mande no attempt to rescue them. Lt. Cdr. Anthony Miers, Torbays Cdr actually Logged the incidents.
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