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    A geopolitical drama driven by newly discovered oil and bad debt is unfolding around the eastern Mediterranean, and it may be a game changer for Greece. Preliminary estimates indicate there are 22 billion barrels of oil offshore of Western Greece below the Ionian Sea and some 4 billion barrels of oil below the Northern Aegean Sea, according to Global Research.

    Former International Monetary Fund economist and Treasury assistant secretary Charles Collyns was in Athens and Rome the last week of July, along with Treasury Secretary Timmy Geithner, as Greece's global lenders - the IMF, the European Union and the European Central Bank - prepared for a new audit of Greece to see if its €130 billion bailout had any positive effect (see proposed reforms). The findings, due in late August, will determine whether Greece will receive fresh loans of €31.5 billion by September, according to Yahoo! news.

    August 20, Greece faces another rollover of €3.2 billion of its existing debt. The expectation is this will be just one more shuffled deck chair on the Titanic as it borrows from one member the Troika (EFSF) to pay another (ECB). I am not so sure.

    The assumption is that this status quo, Nash Equilibrium, mutually assured destruction model will continue indefinitely. But Geithner and his lieutenant Collyns have been actively dialoging with the Greeks. The public message seems to be one of promises to do everything to assist Greece "if necessary" should that country return to the drachma and, by extension, exit the EU, called the Grexit.

    A Grexit would offer the U.S. an opportunity to step into the geopolitical breach, and be a player in new oil and minerals discoveries off of Greek and Israeli shores. Turkey has previously stated it would consider it an act of war if Greece drilled further into the Aegean. Clearly, Greece needs backing and support, the kind that the U.S. could provide. Right after Secretary of State Clinton visited Greece to lobby on energy in 2011, the Greek government created a new government agency to run tenders for oil and gas surveys and drilling bids.

    To resolve matters with Turkey, there is a proposal by both Clintons' operative Richard Morningstar to form an oil revenues deal offering Greece 20%, Turkey 20% and the U.S.-backed Noble Energy (NBL) of Houston (the company drilling in Greek and Israeli offshore waters) the lion's share of 60%.

    This has upped the prospect for a geopolitical gambit by the U.S. that has several objectives:

    1. To gain influence on Aegean Sea as well the Levantine oil and gas assets, and to establish a Greek Corridor of influence between Cyprus, Israel and Greece. The area off Israel and Cyprus has been the site of new oil and gas discoveries. Cyprus, too, is an insolvent EU basket case. This article from Oil Price.com discusses the "pipeline battle" between Russian and U.S. interests.

    With recent confirmation of oil in the Greek Aegean and off Israel, the U.S. has stepped up its game. The strategy is to offer Greece and Cyprus carrots. After all, it's the European Troika that is the hardball creditor, not the U.S. In fact, by offering Greece "almost unqualified support in the event of a return to the drachma," the U.S. is betting on the strong likelihood of Greece becoming formally insolvent before any more bailout monies are available from Berlin-am-Brussels.



    2. The Greek Corridor can be used to transport aid to the Theatre of Operations in the Middle East. This vital corridor cannot and should not be allowed to be checked by Turkey, as it will then be vulnerable to any intervention. PPC Quantum Energy SA formally announced the launch of a 2,000-megawatt undersea electricity cable to link up the electricity grids of Israel, Cyprus and Greece. Also, Israel has a deal with Greek Cyprus and Greece to build a gas pipeline through Cypriot waters to Greece, leaving Turkey out. The U.S. enters the equation because of the offshore Levantine discoveries in the area made by Noble Energy, for which Bill Clinton is a key lobbyist. Security for Israel's new resources will also be paramount.

    IMF and EU government officials, some of them German, are pressuring Greece to sell its valuable ports and public energy companies, such as the country's oil companies, in order to reduce the country's debt. The assets would only bring the country perhaps €50 billion at best. Plans call for the Greek state-owned natural gas company, DEPA, to privatize 65% of its shares to reduce debt. The Russian firm Gazprom has shown an interest, something the U.S. strongly opposes. Buyers would likely come from outside the country, as few Greek companies are in a position, in the current crisis, to take it.

    The US has other energy and security plans for Greece and Cyprus and seeing those countries crippled by overwhelming debt, reduced to begging from the EU, and doing fire sales to Europeans and Russians does fit into the plan. Therefore, I speculate that a re-default and/or restructuring will happen soon, perhaps even on August 20, with the final hit falling on the EU bag holders. A Grexit is also in the cards. For background of what a re-default means to Europe, read my article Official Sector Losses in a Greek Re-default.

    This peek behind the scenes into the developing geopolitics of oil in the region, though not all encompassing, should be kept in mind when wagering on the timing of Greece's re-default.

    Disclosure: I have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours.



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    Thoughts? Apart from the sharing with Turkey part, I think a closer alliance/protection with USA would be of more advantage than begging the EU for scraps. The more valuable to the US the more they care for you, one can just take a look at Turkey or Saudi Arabia.

    An interesting and sincere article imo, though he overestimates how much oil we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorian View Post
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/7829...eek-re-default


    Thoughts? Apart from the sharing with Turkey part, I think a closer alliance/protection with USA would be of more advantage than begging the EU for scraps. The more valuable to the US the more they care for you, one can just take a look at Turkey or Saudi Arabia.

    An interesting and sincere article imo, though he overestimates how much oil we have.
    Bye then...make sure not to reach for the phone when the oil runs out.

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    A mature and well-thought response. I admire you.

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    Burning bridges and hope US interests don't change with the next president. Brilliant idea.

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    I don't think anyone is burning bridges. I do think that what we are doing right now just prolongs the inevitable and when all it's done, the rich countries and corporations are going to pillage every thing of worth that remains. Instead of waiting for that, we might sell it on better terms meanwhile getting protection against an agressive Turkey, something the EU conveniently ignores.


    Anyway a little less condescending and a bit more arguments and counter-proposals should be great. I didn't claim it's the best path but it's an interesting one. Because I don't know everything I posted this to get thoughts not BS. THank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorian View Post
    I don't think anyone is burning bridges. I do think that what we are doing right now just prolongs the inevitable and when all it's done, the rich countries and corporations are going to pillage every thing of worth that remains. Instead of waiting for that, we might sell it on better terms meanwhile getting protection against an agressive Turkey, something the EU conveniently ignores.


    Anyway a little less condescending and a bit more arguments and counter-proposals should be great. I didn't claim it's the best path but it's an interesting one. Because I don't know everything I posted this to get thoughts not BS. THank you.
    Selling it on better terms - there is no better terms before you go bankrupt, as everything that you get now will vanish with your bankruptcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorian View Post
    I don't think anyone is burning bridges. I do think that what we are doing right now just prolongs the inevitable and when all it's done, the rich countries and corporations are going to pillage every thing of worth that remains. Instead of waiting for that, we might sell it on better terms meanwhile getting protection against an agressive Turkey, something the EU conveniently ignores.
    Taking money, spending it all then run away kinda implies burning bridges. I bet you'll cry if EU loses interest in Greece and most foreign investment drops.

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    Taking money, spending it all then run away kinda implies burning bridges.
    Are we on the lazy, greedy Greeks want money for free page?

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    My advice: Don't go changing your entire political and economic system based on a preliminary survey that could turn out to be outright wrong/overestimated/non-profitable to extract/not actually in Greek waters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorian View Post
    A mature and well-thought response. I admire you.
    Well what do you want?, not to toot my own horn here but oil prospecting here (Ireland) has pointed to there being recoverable reserves in the region of 1.5 Billion barrels+ added to gas. No one here has taken that as an excuse to not reform the economy or balance the books better and to get the economy on a sounder footing.
    Greece finds oil and it seems (I may be wrong of course) that the first impulse is "yay, everything is fixed no more problems"...no more unplesent thnings like collecting tax's etc.

    Oil finds are not a panacea to all problems and one day it will run out and with it the geopoliticial bonus's that came with it....

    Better response?

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    ... A simple look at the map tells me Greece will go with Russia, Israel, Italy, hell EVEN with Turkey before going for the USA. Who ever wrote that piece needs to look at the issues again. The US could have effectively cooled down the Turkish/Greek rift through NATO. It will not, nor has it in 57 years of common membership.

    Now what about that protection again? What this blogger seems to imply is that Greece is being manhandled by the EU. Yes indeed, it is but that is not all the story. Greece has benefitted from the EU and will in future. The subject is for now to clamp down on various small problems. Not to kick the Greeks out per se. Greece for the EU, no matter what Euro-phobes say, is a small matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    My advice: Don't go changing your entire political and economic system based on a preliminary survey that could turn out to be outright wrong/overestimated/non-profitable to extract/not actually in Greek waters...
    The last part is certain. And I don't think anyone would do anything before they found out exactly what we have down there.

    Oil finds are not a panacea to all problems and one day it will run out and with it the geopoliticial bonus's that came with it....

    Better response?
    Better. Of course the economy would need restructuring it's not like we have as much oil as Saudis.

    he US could have effectively cooled down the Turkish/Greek rift through NATO. ]
    It would hurt gun sales.

    Greece has benefitted from the EU and will in future.
    It has but I doubt about the future part. Most of EU wants us out in the firstr place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorian View Post
    Are we on the lazy, greedy Greeks want money for free page?
    Nope, we're on the failed Greek political class reverting to old habits and buying it's way out of trouble page...

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    Greece in hooker boots, micro mini and a tube top giving it that come hither look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorian View Post
    It has but I doubt about the future part. Most of EU wants us out in the firstr place.
    NOBODY wants you out of EU. Some want you out of Eurozone, but that all. Too hard to see the difference?

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