Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by JUNKHO
Yesterday, it went over 29 cents per gallon increase here. I am going to blame it one (.......... your choice of candidate..............)
In my town, the price of gas went from $3.54 to $3.59. Not saying it's because of this. The U students are starting to flock for school 2 weeks from now. Not saying it's them. Just sayin' I'm payin' a nickel a gallon more over night.
And glad no one was injured.
Yesterday, it went over 29 cents per gallon increase here. I am going to blame it one (.......... your choice of candidate..............)
Somebody was trying Academy naval tactics. That one was, I believe, called crossing the 'T'.
Rammed slightly forward of amidships either there was a distance perception problem or somebody wasn't going as fast as they thought.
Destroyer skipper to desk jockey in one easy maneuver.
I'd imagine it might be harder to lead a supertanker through those crowed and narrow straits at night.
Especially with all the warships zipping around.
In helicopter flying the more maneuverable (usually the helo) has to get out of the way of the less maneuverable.
Should be the same with ships I would expect?
We call that 'the weekend'.
Pic this>>> http://bmpd.livejournal.com/312906.html
To lighten things up a bit. Olympic dinghy competition with running commentary care of Irish media.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=510_1344196881
Can't read cyrillic. Is that a current photo of the tanker?
Looks like a file photo -
22.02.2010 (с) Tsarik Ruslan
The election in general has got everyone's hackles up. It was such a pleasant summer for gas prices too.
I'm guessing if the tanker was loaded, that helped prevent futher damaged by the bow bulb under the water line?.
I agree, that's the point. No one of us was there, hence nobody of us nows the exact circumstances that led to the accident. Sailing any type of ship is a bit more complicated than steering a shopping cart through Wal-Mart.
Bottom line is: **** happens and thankfully nobody was injured. There will be an investigation and if SOPs were violated there will be punishments, so there's no need for some uneducated, jackass comments like the meanwhile suspended guy made.
I thought USN warships are very vigilant bordering paranoia when it comes to spotting other vessels in close proximity. Heck, even a small boat got fired on just recently.
General comments about the collision by a Retired USN Captain in another forum.
First observation..
Responding to what may happen to the CO of the Porter..Looks like he turned to port in a meeting situation; something we are all taught not to do unless in real extremis. I'd love to see the "maneuvering board" (it was all paper in my day; the computer does it for them now) solution for the tanker's original course, speed and closest point of approach (CPA); because at some point the CPA became Frame 45 on the starboard side, but the tanker would have been plotted as being on a constant bearing-decreasing range (CBDR) track well before that eventuality. Regardless of every other consideration in the International Rules of the Nautical Road, the law of gross tonnage always applies. 300k for the tanker vs. 9K for Porter never falls out in favor of the smaller ship. Frankly, it looks like more than a couple of people were asleep at the switch, and the traffic scheme in Hormuz is no place to fall afoul of cranial-****** inversion.
Article 32 Investigation/Board of Inquiry first; then, depending how that process reports out, either a Court-Martial or Admiral's Mast. Either way, I can tell you right now that unless there are some pretty special mitigating circumstances, the damage reflects that the conning officer violated a cardinal rule in a meeting situation with constant bearing and decreasing range; never, never, never, upon pain of death and excommunication, should you order a turn to port. Both ships are to turn to starboard. That is what everyone is taught to do, both civilian and military. Either that or they screwed up a crossing situation.
Regardless, Otowasan displaces anywhere from 160,000 to 300,000 tons depending on her liquid load; to Porter's roughly 9000. She would have painted like a land mass doing 12 knots on the radar on both the bridge and the Combat Direction Center. Allowing oneself to get into extremis with plenty time to avoid it is pretty unconscionable, but this is why they do investigations. Nothing is ever just black and white, but the two things that one should never do when in command is go aground or collide with another ship. It's bad juju, even if you are found not to be culpable. A stain always attaches and usually spells career death.
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