Afghan LP Officer kills 2 US Service Members

[Popsiq]

And again to-day in southern Afghanistan 2 more dead are reported when "a number" of Afghan and foreign troops were shot by an Afghan soldier in Kandahar province.
Other reports indicate two ISAF troops were wounded and the gunman ki8lled.

[Popsiq]

Severely punish any immediate (or even extended) family member of any ANP or ANA who do this. I'm not saying anything inhumane but really inconvenience them. Ban them from working with NATO. Ban them from working in any government job. Tear apart their homes and look for any evidence of terrorist affiliations. Maybe extend this treatment to any close acquaintances they have.

"But that will push them towards the terrorists"
Maybe.
These guys can see a reflection in a puddle and think it's a sign from God to kill infidels- they'll use any excuse to kill.
It may also make someone think twice before doing it in the first place.
"That $1000 the Taliban offered me to give to my family to light up the US soldiers won't go far when my son can't hold a government job or go to university- my kid is going to hate me"



I worked the front gate in KAF for a couple of months once. It was horrible. 1200-1500 people a day coming through. Searching them, sorting them, logging them.
They were pricks to each other. Pushing, shoving, people skipping in line, people causing fights. Old men getting cut up from razor wire, people getting trampled.

When I was on gate I made a rule, anyone caught pushing shoving fighting skipping or any of that crap would have their work permit taken away for the day (and risk getting fired).
If I caught them doing it again and recognized them I would take it away for a few days then a week. For added emphasis when I caught someone breaking my rules I also took the permits of 2 people ahead of the guy and 2 behind him. When the guy would show up the next day, sometimes sporting a black eye, he would be the paragon of a well behaved citizen standing in a line. We got people through security faster with next to no issues. If someone DID **** around, the people around the guy would sort him out before I could even get close.

It's easy for people to be a**holes but when it starts effecting their peers around them or especially their family, they tend to change their behavior.

Do you not think that punishing the extended family of some of these people is the root cause of the shootings?

They're a little more sensitive than we westerners to 'family insults'. While you or I might not get too upset about a cousin's house getting 'tossed' in a security op, they take such things to heart. It's no big deal to westerners, just something that needs to be done. They don't see it like that. You bust in their house or insult their grampa, or mother or father - make eyes at their sister - and they start thinking murder.

As you say there isn't one set of consistent rules, every ferenghi is a mini satrap with his own set of 'rules'. It might help if we could speak their language to communicate and explain our 'rules'. All we do is p*ss them off. We'd feel the same if they were 'helpng' us like that.

You'd think we would have learned some respect by now.

[Fluffysmell]

Can we leave that sh**hole yet? Seriously, why are we still there? National security my a**. Round up all the equipment and weapons, tear down all the facilities, and let them live in a third world sh**hole. Build a bunch of super-sophisticated satellites with the money we save and watch their every move. Bomb them as necessary.

The enemy taliban are getting killed heavily in conventional fighting. This cowardly tactic is aimed at getting people to think just what your saying. There are good Afghans who don't want to go back to the horrible years of taliban rule.

[James]

Precisely. Now why was (entire) Afghanistan invaded in the first place?

9/11/01.

Jackass.

[James]

Do you not think that punishing the extended family of some of these people is the root cause of the shootings?

That isn't ISAF/DOD policy. As far as I know, the coalition has never destroyed the house or compound of family members of identified Taliban or suicide bombers.

[antman311]

9/11/01.

Jackass.

It's mind boggling that people continue to ask this question. It's like they already have forgotten what happened eleven years ago.

[MoverFourOne]

Do you not think that punishing the extended family of some of these people is the root cause of the shootings?

Sure. Along with "The west" not giving them money when they ask for it, or goats. Or the west using soldiers with no souls who are made in test tubes. Or because some imaan said someone in the west did something. Or because of a thousand other reasons.

We've never "Punished their family" as a specific action.

They're a little more sensitive than we westerners to 'family insults'. While you or I might not get too upset about a cousin's house getting 'tossed' in a security op, they take such things to heart. It's no big deal to westerners, just something that needs to be done. They don't see it like that. You bust in their house or insult their grampa, or mother or father - make eyes at their sister - and they start thinking murder.

Speak for yourself, if someone were to do that to me it would really piss me off. you mean to tell me if I bust into YOUR families house you'd think it's no big deal because you're a westerner?

As you say there isn't one set of consistent rules, every ferenghi is a mini satrap with his own set of 'rules'. It might help if we could speak their language to communicate and explain our 'rules'. All we do is p*ss them off. We'd feel the same if they were 'helpng' us like that.

What world are you living in dude? Speak their language? They know the rules- don't shoot us in the back. They break those rules. One of the major enablers is the bad guys offering their family monetary compensation for their murder spree. You combat that by taking that compensation away from the family so the murderers don't think their familys will live happily ever after.

You'd think we would have learned some respect by now.

Maybe we should try talking to the Taliban and reasoning with them. Lets learn their language and customs and ways. Maybe act like them to show them we respect them right?

[flanker7]

Greek media repord another such incident today. Afgan, dressed as policeman shot and killed a ISAF(?) service member and injured another. No more details, but it comments that it's the tenth similar incident within a month.

R.I.P

[Shadowstorm]

Rest in Peace soldiers.

[James]

I'm curious if any of the coalition soldiers who've been injured or killed might have been targeted for wearing a "Pork Eating Crusader" or "Infidel" patch.

[Popsiq]

That isn't ISAF/DOD policy. As far as I know, the coalition has never destroyed the house or compound of family members of identified Taliban or suicide bombers.

The coalition certainly has destroyed the houses and compounds of, perhaps, too many Afghans - not knowing who, or what, they are.

The Taliban/suicide thing seems to be more an effect of being there, than the cause. They were, after all, completely defeated at one point.

[James]

The coalition certainly has destroyed the houses and compounds of, perhaps, too many Afghans - not knowing who, or what, they are.

The Taliban/suicide thing seems to be more an effect of being there, than the cause. They were, after all, completely defeated at one point.

Reading comprehension?

the coalition has never destroyed the house or compound of family members of identified Taliban or suicide bombers.

Meaning the coalition hasn't retaliated against the Taliban/ACM by destroying houses belonging to families of identified terrorists.

The 9/11/01 attacks against the U.S., which led to the invasion, were suicide attacks. Islamic terrorists have a decades long history of conducting suicide attacks all over the world.

When were the Taliban completely defeated? I can't recall.

[MoverFourOne]

When were the Taliban completely defeated? I can't recall.

I can tell you their fate was sealed a second after the first plane hit.

[James]

I can tell you their fate was sealed a second after the first plane hit.

Oh you can? It's been almost eleven years and they're still fighting.

[Macs.]

I can tell you their fate was sealed a second after the first plane hit.

Good joke.

The truth is that they are still at large, and it's not even a secret. It's public information. Even within Afghanistan. And as long as Pakistan is still their save heaven where they can stick out and rule as they want there is no reason why they should suddenly disappear. Even if they would get hammered out of Afghanistan.

And when you look at the current timetables for withdraws of foreign troops it become clear that the complete destruction of the taliban isn't even a target anymore. Much to the contrary actually with the taliban being in talks with the US and Afghan goverment.

The invasion of Afghanistan (OEF) and hits against Al-Kaida elements within Afghanistan was the right decision, the continues "peacekeeping" and "nationbuilding" operation (ISAF) was simply a mistake. A costly one.