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    Default The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...914661256.html


    "Since World War II, despite the costly flare-ups in Korea and Vietnam, the United States has proved to be the essential guarantor of stability in the Asian-Pacific region, even as the power cycle shifted from Japan to the Soviet Union and most recently to China. The benefits of our involvement are one of the great success stories of American and Asian history, providing the so-called second tier countries in the region the opportunity to grow economically and to mature politically.

    As the region has grown more prosperous, the sovereignty issues have become more fierce. Over the past two years Japan and China have openly clashed in the Senkaku Islands, east of Taiwan and west of Okinawa, whose administration is internationally recognized to be under Japanese control. Russia and South Korea have reasserted sovereignty claims against Japan in northern waters. China and Vietnam both claim sovereignty over the Paracel Islands. China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia all claim sovereignty over the Spratly Islands, the site of continuing confrontations between China and the Philippines. "

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    "History teaches us that when unilateral acts of aggression go unanswered, the bad news never gets better with age. Nowhere is this cycle more apparent than in the alternating power shifts in East Asia. As historian Barbara Tuchman noted in her biography of U.S. Army Gen. Joseph Stillwell, it was China's plea for U.S. and League of Nations support that went unanswered following Japan's 1931 invasion of Manchuria, a neglect that "brewed the acid of appeasement that . . . opened the decade of descent to war" in Asia and beyond.

    While America's attention is distracted by the presidential campaign, all of East Asia is watching what the U.S. will do about Chinese actions in the South China Sea. They know a test when they see one. They are waiting to see whether America will live up to its uncomfortable but necessary role as the true guarantor of stability in East Asia, or whether the region will again be dominated by belligerence and intimidation. "

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    The article brings up some good points. Will the US jump into conflict with China? I can't answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    The article brings up some good points. Will the US jump into conflict with China? I can't answer that.
    I predict the US won't do jack.

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    With so many nations claiming their bit(or all) of the S. China sea there are bound to be problems on the horizon. Especially with the potential recources at stake. I dont think the US will do anything but use harsh words.

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    I think it depends on whos in the white house. if a dem then maybe just words if rep then I think this might go a little further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omen90 View Post
    I think it depends on whos in the white house. if a dem then maybe just words if rep then I think this might go a little further.
    I think there is too much political problems in the US to have any real war with China. Most of the cause not to fight is lack of cash. China is aware of this I am sure.

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    For all practical purposes China has unilaterally decided to annex an area that extends eastward from the East Asian mainland as far as the Philippines, and nearly as far south as the Strait of Malacca. China's new "prefecture" is nearly twice as large as the combined land masses of Vietnam, South Korea, Japan and the Philippines. Its "legislators" will directly report to the central government.
    This is getting ridiculous. The one common factor in all these disputes is China.

    Japan needs to arm up with nuclear weapons ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    I think there is too much political problems in the US to have any real war with China. Most of the cause not to fight is lack of cash. China is aware of this I am sure.
    Wouldn't be even a small scale war reason enough, not to pay back China's loans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasch View Post
    Wouldn't be even a small scale war reason enough, not to pay back China's loans?
    If that was the case and we weren't going to pay back the loans, I think that it would be a quick war but in the end the US Dollar would be crushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    If that was the case and we weren't going to pay back the loans, I think that it would be a quick war but in the end the US Dollar would be crushed.
    Depends on global sentiment towards China. Many nations may take the opportunity void debt owed to China and will be supportive of the US dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    If that was the case and we weren't going to pay back the loans, I think that it would be a quick war but in the end the US Dollar would be crushed.
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say those evil fed reserve big banker guys never had the intention to pay China in full.

    With massive debt... wouldn't you stick to repaying your friends before enemies? Even if it was against any legal obligations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlintHillBilly View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say those evil fed reserve big banker guys never had the intention to pay China in full.
    I used to think that the debt would be made insignificant by a massive increase in money printing that would devalue the dollar. Now I'm not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    I predict the US won't do jack.
    An attack on mainland Japan or her territories may cause damage to US bases and servicemen stationed in the region. Would the US sit idly by? Maybe it depends on how they believe Russia would respond to open warfare in the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Cruiser View Post
    Depends on global sentiment towards China. Many nations may take the opportunity void debt owed to China and will be supportive of the US dollar.
    Good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Cruiser View Post
    This is getting ridiculous. The one common factor in all these disputes is China.

    Japan needs to arm up with nuclear weapons ASAP.
    What are you smoking? you understand the "self defense" aspect?


    Quote Originally Posted by T.Cruiser View Post
    An attack on mainland Japan or her territories may cause damage to US bases and servicemen stationed in the region. Would the US sit idly by? Maybe it depends on how they believe Russia would respond to open warfare in the region.
    let's take the war path....war with china really comes down to war of attrition or nuke war. You really think US is going to do either one?

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