Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by muck
Well if you disappear, we will at least know what happened to you. Seien Sie sicher
What's with the link this idiot posted there? I dare not touch it, might be illegal in Germany.
Well if you disappear, we will at least know what happened to you. Seien Sie sicher
Interesting stuff.
Whats going to stop opportunists from going to these sites. Perhaps they should leave any findings of valuables unreported for the time being. Is it hard to access these sites ?a diamond-studded gold chain, a pair of gold earrings inscribed ER - apparently the owner's initials - a silver medallion engraved with the name "Hanna."
In fact, the Nazis destroyed the gas chambers in the extermination camps.
Treblinka and Sobibor camps were completely destroyed in a methodical manner and nothing remains of these camps nor of their gas chambers.
The camps in Auschwitz were not destroyed because they was evacuated in a rush as the Red Army advanced in January 1945. But the Nazis destroyed with dynamite the huge crematoriums in Auschwitz 2 - Birkenau and the small gas chamber in Auschwitz 1.
The gas chamber that one can visit today in Auschwitz 1 is not the original one. It is a later reconstruction, built by the Communists, for educational purposes on the crimes of the Nazis. While rebuilding the monument, the Communist architects made some technical mistakes. As a result, the reconstructed gas chamber is completely improper for gazing people. These technical mistakes in its reconstruction were exploited by Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson for his pseudo-scientific theory to pretend no one was ever gazed in the death camps.
On the left side of the page of his link there's another link that points to an article by Robert Faurisson.
Last edited by Camera; 08-24-2012 at 04:20 AM.
I posted it, but I guess it was against the rules, it is a revisionist page, of apologetic people who deny the holocaust but have no balls to be fully retarded instead of being half retarded.
I don't think it needed publicity. I cleared it up with the rest of Kiask's posts; see post 4.
Kiask has been banned, let's please stop responding to him or posts about his vile racist beliefs.
OK, you are right. thanks.
I have a question concerning those revisionists or holocaust deniers...
It obviously happened, all of it, and I see no reason why anyone would try to deny an historical fact...
When you have a belief, in the end you want that belief to be justified and proven true, which its never going to be, because it happened, plain and simple.
But what is there to gain to deny a fact ? What's in it for them ? I know about hating Jews and the likes... That is the only reason why they have that belief ?
If you want to hate the Jews, you can still hate them with the Holocaust
Just doesn't make any sense... Very strange, at least in my book
Books have been written about this subject but I think the answer to your questions can be summarized at high-level, in general terms as follows:I have a question concerning those revisionists or holocaust deniers...
It obviously happened, all of it, and I see no reason why anyone would try to deny an historical fact...
When you have a belief, in the end you want that belief to be justified and proven true, which its never going to be, because it happened, plain and simple.
But what is there to gain to deny a fact ? What's in it for them ? I know about hating Jews and the likes... That is the only reason why they have that belief ?
If you want to hate the Jews, you can still hate them with the Holocaust
Just doesn't make any sense... Very strange, at least in my book
1. In the worldview of the anti-Semite, Jews are oppressors, not victims. Acknowledging the Holocaust, is to acknowledge that Jews are victims and not all powerful; it is acknowledgement that all of those stereotypes about Jews controlling the media and banks and the "world" are false, because if the Jews were really so powerful then how could such an event such as the Holocaust have happened. So, it is easier for the anti-Semite to maintain the fallacious concept that the Holocaust is a Jewish invention/conspiracy, than accept the fact that their morals and worldview are wrong.
2. In the worldview of the anti-Semite, Jews are bad and evil; anti-Semites are good and righteous. Acknowledging the Holocaust, is to acknowledge that evil has been done to the Jews, and that the evil-doers are not the Jews themselves but the anti-Semites.
3. In the worldview of the anti-Semite, the Holocaust is a Jewish invention for the purpose of world sympathy, financial gain and ultimately, a state. Consequently, in that mind frame, if the former is disproved, than the legitimacy of the later is suspect too.
4. Acknowledgement of the Holocaust (acknowledgement that Jews are victims and that evil has been done to Jews) translates into acknowledgment that Jews have rights like everyone else.
5. Shame and embarrassment.
All that said, there are all sorts of anti-Semitic interpretations of the Holocaust. In addition to outright deniers, there are those who a) do acknowledge it and justify it, and b) deny it but wish it happened.
^^^
I'll add another reason: evil.
The anti-Semites know that by denying the holocaust they hurt the feelings of the survivors and their descendants…
Thanks, Camera!
Probably the most obvious one of them all, and I missed it completely by over-thinking the question!
I am not a Holocaust Denier. I have (unfortunately) visited Dachau. A horrible place, and I shall never get close to another camp like it again.
But I think it is worth noting that not all the victims of the Holocaust were gassed. Millions died of overwork, starvation, disease, and exposure. Or they were shot or bayoneted. Deniers try to use the "no gas chamber" angle for their own ends. Dachau had a gas chamber, but (I was told) that they believe it was not used. Still, thousands died there. But gas or not, all those people (including 2 to 8 million gentiles) were murdered by the Nazis and their allies. An excellent book on the subject is Ordinary Men.
Yes, Some of the nazi commanders complained that the quotas that they were given were to high. If you are trying to say the Holocaust was not a Jewish only experience. They are not alone but they were the largest group of people to be slaughter, but millions of other people where slaughter too.
Can you believe in the Holocaust & question aspects without being an anti-semite ?
If you have to ask that question, then you are not sure if you are or are not. IMHO, the Holocaust is not about believing anything, it is a fact. Questioning aspects of the Holocaust is not a issue, like any thing it is how it is done. There are probably a lot we do not know about the Holocaust. A lot of the names are gone for ever, unless there is a discovery. You missed one member he questioned it in very hateful, racist and disrespectful terms.
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