I don't think this should be in the political section. Maybe the history or OTH sections instead...
Was Hitler a Christian? An answer to T.Cruiser
In a recent, closed, thread the claim that Hitler was a "practicing Christian" was made by T.Cruiser and since I didn't get a chance to respond in that thread I opened this one.
Hitler was NOT a Christian and all claims have and can be debunked.
In his own words.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December, 1941.
"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October, 1941."
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. Adolf Hitler 10 October, 1941"
There's plenty of source material on the Internet and your local library to prove Hitler was NOT a Christian. He was a beast that deserves to be in hell for eternity and any attempt to attribute his beliefs to be Christian in any way is reprehensible and/or ignorant.
Yes, I feel pretty strong about this for several reasons. I grew up watching my father, who fought in WW2 against the nazi's, suffer the demons of that war all his life. While he respected the professionalism of the common German soldier he was horrified and haunted by what they found during the occupation. His brother, who fought with the Canadians, suffered as well and ultimately died due to the effects of what we now describe as PTSD.
In the thread that T.Cruiser stated hitler was a Christian the op's comparison was obviously to obama. While I don't agree with almost anything obama does and/or says and want him defeated in the next election comparing him to hitler is beyond the pale and unworthy.
I don't think this should be in the political section. Maybe the history or OTH sections instead...
From Wiki.Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. He was himself a Christian and practised Christianity.[1][2] In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[3][4] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.[5] According to the controversial collection of transcripts edited by Martin Bormann, titled Hitler's Table Talk, as well as the testimony of some intimates, Hitler had privately negative views of Christianity. Others reported he was a committed believer.[1][2] Some recent works have asserted that he was in no way an atheist.
Anyone read Mein Kapf? Feels like if he affirmed his Christianity in that book, ha atleas considered himself Christian.
I always thought he was an atheist. But it seems I at least has to read up on the subject;
I think Hitler didn't care one way or the other about religion period. He was certainly a believer in a mystical sense of providence than anything else.
Supposedly he was a christian until he joined the Thule societyOriginally Posted by Dirtydiaper
I really dont understand the fascination some people have with the religion of the GröFaZ.
Thats because you cant take anything for face value that he writes in that book. Or really anything he states publicly for that matter.
Well its not that different with todays politicians. Many will publicly say they are Christian, if they are believers in reality is an entirely different question.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-Adolf Hitler, speech on 12 April 1922
not really churchly, but definitely a christian and religious man.
How would you know? Its just a speech. He will say what he thinks he has to say to get his point across and attract followers. Just like any politican really. In this case the Christian angle was used to lash out against Jews.
i suspect that's (using religion for some purpose) true for majority of religious people around the world.
and how do you describe average Christian then?
I thought he was an atheist...?
Just politics. If you can connect Hitler to something you don't like you win by default. The main trend seems to be for religious fundamentalist to try and use him to show the evil of atheism and Darwinism, and they never like it when you point out that they are wrong.
Many seems to think so, not the man himself though...
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler
IF you're gonna use Wiki, don't conveniently leave out the section on his religious beliefs.
Hitler saw the church as important politically, as a conservative influence on society. He felt that if the church were eliminated the faithful would turn to mysticism, which he thought would be a step backwards politically and culturally. Though he never officially left the Catholic Church, he had no real attachment to it.[333] After leaving home he never attended Mass or received the sacraments.[334] He favoured aspects of Protestantism that suited his own views, and adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organisation, liturgy, and phraseology in his politics.[335][336]
In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage and German Christian culture, and professed a belief in an "Aryan" Jesus Christ—a Jesus who fought against the Jews.[337] He spoke of his interpretation of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[338][339] In private, he was more critical of traditional Christianity, considering it a religion fit only for slaves; he admired the power of Rome but maintained a severe hostility towards its teaching.[340] Historian John S. Conway states that Hitler held a "fundamental antagonism" towards the Christian churches.[341]
In political relations with the church, Hitler adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes".[341] According to a US Office of Strategic Services report, Hitler had a general plan, even before his rise to power, to destroy the influence of Christian churches within the Reich.[342][343] The report titled "The Nazi Master Plan" stated that the destruction of the church was a goal of the movement right from the start, but that it was inexpedient to express this extreme position publicly.[344] His intention, according to Bullock, was to wait until the war was over to destroy the influence of Christianity
July 6, 1945 - "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches"
http://org.law.rutgers.edu/publicati...nurinst1.shtml
NYTimes
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/we...pagewanted=all
THE NAZI’S PERSECUTION OF RELIGION AS A WAR CRIME: THE OSS’S RESPONSEWITHIN THE NUREMBERG TRIALS PROCESShttp://org.law.rutgers.edu/publicati...s/churches.pdf
There is a difference between "Christianity" and the Christian church(es) - there are many Christians who despise the Vatican or other forms of "organized" churches for various reasons.
And as religion is basically about interpretation of ancient texts one could argue that Hitler was a Christian following his own interpretation of those texts... while being opposed to the "traditional" Catholic or Protestant interpretations.
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